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Trump = Chamberlain
Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:13am
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Neville Chamberlain, 1938, after meeting with Hitler:
"My good friends, this is the second time there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now I recommend you go home, and sleep quietly in your beds."

Donald Trump, today, after meeting with Kim:
"Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006839007492308992

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Re: Trump = Chamberlain
Reply #1 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:14am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:13am:
Neville Chamberlain, 1938, after meeting with Hitler:
"My good friends, this is the second time there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now I recommend you go home, and sleep quietly in your beds."

Donald Trump, today, after meeting with Kim:
"Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006839007492308992

With a nod to Bert, now I will admit that my head is exploding...

Did I miss breaking news?   Undecided
  


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Re: Trump = Chamberlain
Reply #2 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:16am
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I can not believe that so many of you are so oblivious of your dual standards on this issue.  You and others were trying to point out that Trumps belligerent attitude towards NK would lead us to war.  Now it is his efforts at peace that will lead us to war.  It is simply amusing to watch the change of course mid stream.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Trump = Chamberlain
Reply #3 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:17am
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JFC

The left has become so similar to the right now they're even stealing their talking points about pissant countries.

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Re: Trump = Chamberlain
Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:51am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:13am:
Neville Chamberlain, 1938, after meeting with Hitler:
"My good friends, this is the second time there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now I recommend you go home, and sleep quietly in your beds."

Donald Trump, today, after meeting with Kim:
"Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006839007492308992

With a nod to Bert, now I will admit that my head is exploding...

Lol.
  

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You are awfully concerned about who gets to live.  Why is it so important to you?
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Reply #5 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:56am
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we've discussed the particulars around the Rocket-man/Dotard summit in other threads.  I was just boggling here at Trump's lack of historical awareness.  This is one of the major quotes around one of the major events in history, and he is practically repeating Chamberlain, unaware that he is doing so.

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Reply #6 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:03am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:56am:
we've discussed the particulars around the Rocket-man/Dotard summit in other threads.  I was just boggling here at Trump's lack of historical awareness.  This is one of the major quotes around one of the major events in history, and he is practically repeating Chamberlain, unaware that he is doing so.

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Reply #7 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:07am
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If we don't act now to stop the North Korean threat, then there's a chance that in a few years we'll all be speaking Korean.
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:35am
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How about we inject some more substance into this discussion...

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The tradition of appeasement in British foreign policy 1865–1939

...Through this paper "Appeasement" will be held to mean the policy of settling international (or, for that matter, domestic) quarrels by admitting and satisfying greivances through rational negotiation and compromise, thereby avoiding the resort to an armed conflict which would be expensive, bloody and possibly very dangerous...

It has been argued in this paper that a 'tradition' of appeasement can be detected in British foreign policy from the mid-nineteenth century onwards, and that this was, in a sense, the 'natural' policy for a small island state gradually losing its place in world affairs, shouldering military and economic burdens which were increasingly too great for it, and developing internally from an oligarchic to a more democratic form of political constitution in which sentiments in favour of pacific and rational settlement of disputes were widely propagated...

"Appeasement" became [after Munich] a word of shame, not pride; a word useful in discrediting one's rivals; conversely, as Eden clearly felt at the time of Suez, a word which had never to be applied to one's own policy if one could possibly help it. It was a sad end for an expression which, in its original form, encapsulated many of the finder aspects of the British political tradition. Even today, while a foreign policy rooted in those traditional elements of morality, economy and prudence may - indeed, is likely to be being - carried out, the last thing its executioners would desire would be to have the word "Appeasement" attached to it.

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You can read the whole thing for free on JSTOR (have to register), or probably if you have access through your public library.
  
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Re: Trump = Chamberlain
Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:41am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 11:07am:
If we don't act now to stop the North Korean threat, then there's a chance that in a few years we'll all be speaking Korean.



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