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Reply #250 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:46pm
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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
Here is the distinction wads

Limey has chimes in talking about he’s seen plenty of dead soldiers shot with a .223 caliber round (5.56).

Yes, it like any round is capable of killing. I’ve seen a hogs jaw and about blown half off by a poor ar-15 shot. I have an ar-15. I shoot at my personal range all the time. I love the round.

The point I and others are trying to make is it’s an out and out lie to claim the ar-15 has superior killing power to other styles of rifles and calibers. Relatively speaking, it’s anemic compared to a shotgun with buckshot or a slug and virtually every hunting caliber.

And there are many hunting calibers in semi auto and shotguns with higher round capacities.

So when the rationale for a ban is tied to the ar-15 power, those in tbe know, know this is a lie. And we also know that if this is ever banned for its power, then anything with more power should also be banned by default

If you ban Volkswagen bugs due to their extreme ability to speed, pretty much all other cars must go too. Right?

I really don't care.  I gave you the data.  You can beleive it or not.  Case closed.
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


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I'll try but it might be beyond my ability. Insulting is "like 90% of what I do here."
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Re: Annapolis - NOW can we ban those assault rifles?
Reply #251 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:02pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
I think doctor who treat gun wounds are more knowledgable about the effects of gun shot wounds, don't you?

The Difference Between AR-15 and Normal Gunshot Wounds
https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the-difference-between-ar-15-and-normal-gunsho...
What happens when AR-15 rifle bullets tear through the human body
https://bgr.com/2016/06/21/ar-15-rifle-bullet-wounds/
What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/




We’re talking about the lethality of two broad classes of firearm when used in mass murders or attempted mass murders.


The wounds seen in a hospital are very much part of what’s under consideration but the A & E doctor, whilst likely an expert in gunshot wound surgery, is not going to be fully aware of things like shooting distance, ammunition nature, the skill of the shooter etc.
  

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Reply #252 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:04pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:02pm:
We’re talking about the lethality of two broad classes of firearm when used in mass murders or attempted mass murders.


The wounds seen in a hospital are very much part of what’s under consideration but the A & E doctor, whilst likely an expert in gunshot wound surgery, is not going to be fully aware of things like shooting distance, ammunition nature, the skill of the shooter etc.

I really don't give a damn about shooting distance, ammunition nature, the skill of the shooter etc.   That was not my argument.  Mine was simple.  Which does more damage my the unskilled shooter.
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
I'll try but it might be beyond my ability. Insulting is "like 90% of what I do here."
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Re: Annapolis - NOW can we ban those assault rifles?
Reply #253 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:08pm
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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
Here is the distinction wads

Limey has chimes in talking about he’s seen plenty of dead soldiers shot with a .223 caliber round (5.56).

Yes, it like any round is capable of killing. I’ve seen a hogs jaw and about blown half off by a poor ar-15 shot. I have an ar-15. I shoot at my personal range all the time. I love the round.

The point I and others are trying to make is it’s an out and out lie to claim the ar-15 has superior killing power to other styles of rifles and calibers. Relatively speaking, it’s anemic compared to a shotgun with buckshot or a slug and virtually every hunting caliber.

And there are many hunting calibers in semi auto and shotguns with higher round capacities.

So when the rationale for a ban is tied to the ar-15 power, those in tbe know, know this is a lie. And we also know that if this is ever banned for its power, then anything with more power should also be banned by default

If you ban Volkswagen bugs due to their extreme ability to speed, pretty much all other cars must go too. Right?


I’ve seen dead bodies with 7.62mm NATO and 7.62 x 39 as well. And 0.5 Browning and 14.5mm Soviet.

I’m not making special claims for 5.56mm.
  

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Re: Annapolis - NOW can we ban those assault rifles?
Reply #254 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:09pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
I really don't give a damn about shooting distance, ammunition nature, the skill of the shooter etc.   That was not my argument.  Mine was simple.  Which does more damage my the unskilled shooter.



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Re: Annapolis - NOW can we ban those assault rifles?
Reply #255 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:34pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:02pm:
We’re talking about the lethality of two broad classes of firearm when used in mass murders or attempted mass murders.


The wounds seen in a hospital are very much part of what’s under consideration but the A & E doctor, whilst likely an expert in gunshot wound surgery, is not going to be fully aware of things like shooting distance, ammunition nature, the skill of the shooter etc.


This is exactly correct. A college roommate did his residency at Los Angeles county hospital. Mostly he treated handgun woulda. He has never hunted or fired a gun. He shared that from what he has seen handguns are incredibly powerful and do tremendous damage.

No argument.

This issue is so they do more damage or are they more powerful than say a shotgun slug, or 30-06.

We are strictly talking about banning one caliber or rifle type based on its “greater” power and ability to kill compared to other guns and calibers.

Gun banners have been duped into thinking the war killing machine 223 / 5.56 has some special super powers.

Heck yesterday I heard a dem congressman talking about the need to ban ar15 because they shoot ultra powerful rounds at over 200 rounds per minute. A us congressman.
  
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Reply #256 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:38pm
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I was wrong. Alan Grayson dem congressman claimed it shoots 700 rounds per minute.

Just said it. Google it.

Wads, is this where you get ur info from

Does he get info from ur source. Is he lying or simply an ignorant moron perpetuating a lie he heard.
  
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Reply #257 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:39pm
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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
I was wrong. Alan Grayson dem congressman claimed it shoots 700 rounds per minute.

Just said it. Google it.

Wads, is this where you get ur info from

Does he get info from ur source. Is he lying or simply an ignorant moron perpetuating a lie he heard.

uh, I said nothing about Alan Grayson.  I gave you my sources.  Deal with it.
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


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Re: Annapolis - NOW can we ban those assault rifles?
Reply #258 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:26pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
uh, I said nothing about Alan Grayson.  I gave you my sources.  Deal with it.


Look closely at the pictures. And read.

[PDF]
Ballistic Products, Inc. 12 Gauge, 20 Gauge and 410 …
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/images/BPI_Ballistic_Report.pdf
KE Transfer up to 12” depth is a measure of the potential for causing damage ... 12 gauge 00 Buckshot static gelatin pictures ... Slug static gelatin pictures ...


BALLISTIC GELATIN PERFORMANCE OF SELECTED .223 …
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData...
BALLISTIC GELATIN PERFORMANCE OF SELECTED .223 BARRIER ... Pictures of bullets recovered from shots into bare gelatin out of an 8" barrel: .223 …


Which one do you want to hit you ass?

Smiley

Smiley

This one may work, I hope.

Barnes Ballistic Gelatin Data for .223 and 5.56 - AR15.Com
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/Barnes...

Barnes Ballistic Gelatin Data for .223 and 5.56 All pictures on this webpage belong to Barnes. Barnes Ballistic Gelatin Data .223 and 5.56.223. 36gr Barnes Varmint Grenade
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Re: Annapolis - NOW can we ban those assault rifles?
Reply #259 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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Archie wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:26pm:
Look closely at the pictures. And read.

[PDF]
Ballistic Products, Inc. 12 Gauge, 20 Gauge and 410 …
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/images/BPI_Ballistic_Report.pdf
KE Transfer up to 12” depth is a measure of the potential for causing damage ... 12 gauge 00 Buckshot static gelatin pictures ... Slug static gelatin pictures ...


BALLISTIC GELATIN PERFORMANCE OF SELECTED .223 …
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData...
BALLISTIC GELATIN PERFORMANCE OF SELECTED .223 BARRIER ... Pictures of bullets recovered from shots into bare gelatin out of an 8" barrel: .223 …


Which one do you want to hit you ass?

Smiley

Smiley

This one may work, I hope.

Barnes Ballistic Gelatin Data for .223 and 5.56 - AR15.Com
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/Barnes...

Barnes Ballistic Gelatin Data for .223 and 5.56 All pictures on this webpage belong to Barnes. Barnes Ballistic Gelatin Data .223 and 5.56.223. 36gr Barnes Varmint Grenade



Go to the site and see. Don't know why they will not come up here.
  

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