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Re: shhh - don't let the children hear that word, or republicans disdain for democracy
Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:02am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:51am:
I love it when people argue we are a republic not a democracy. It's cute.


I love it when people argue that we are a democracy and not a republic: It's stupid.
  

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Re: shhh - don't let the children hear that word, or republicans disdain for democracy
Reply #11 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:06am
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Harrys Sockpuppet4335 wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:02am:
I love it when people argue that we are a democracy and not a republic: It's stupid.

Yeah, that would be stupid considering that a representative republic is a form of democracy.

We should get these stupid people together so we can make fun of them both.
  

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Reply #12 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:12am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:06am:
Yeah, that would be stupid considering that a representative republic is a form of democracy.

We should get these stupid people together so we can make fun of them both.



actually, I believe there is such thing as a representative democracy...which is what I think you are referring to.

The United States is a federal republic
  
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Re: shhh - don't let the children hear that word, or republicans disdain for democracy
Reply #13 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:18am
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:12am:
actually, I believe there is such thing as a representative democracy...which is what I think you are referring to.


Yes, the US is one, right?

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The United States is a federal republic

Yes, that's fair. It's also a constitutional republic.

To be most precise perhaps we could say it is a "constitutional federal representative democracy." Which is the same as saying "constitutional federal representative republic."
  

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Reply #14 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:23am
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I usually just say republic means we are first and foremost a nation of laws, and we use a democratic process to elect officials...

there was once an analogy to explain the difference between the two...a cowboy walks into a bar and shoots a guy...everyone who saw it says get a rope....that's a democracy...one guy says get a judge...that's the republic.
  
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:23am:
I usually just say republic means we are first and foremost a nation of laws, and we use a democratic process to elect officials...

there was once an analogy to explain the difference between the two...a cowboy walks into a bar and shoots a guy...everyone who saw it says get a rope....that's a democracy...one guy says get a judge...that's the republic.

Yeah that's a good distinction but it becomes problematic when we unite these two ideas in one system.

For example, we can change the law through the voting process, by electing people who will do so.

Even a constitutional amendment is possible.

And we know how easy it is to simply reinterpret the law to suit our modern needs.
  

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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 10:31am:
And we know how easy it is to simply reinterpret the law to suit our modern needs.


Reinterpret or is it to include more relevant information?
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:47am
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:15am:
Reinterpret or is it to include more relevant information?


I see things like the bill of rights as our countries core values. Like a company has core values. They are static, principled, should not change. Freedom of speech etc

You don’t change your core values or principles.
  
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:47am:
I see things like the bill of rights as our countries core values. Like a company has core values. They are static, principled, should not change. Freedom of speech etc

You don’t change your core values or principles.



So, you skip the Declaration and the basic Constitution and go all in for the changes being static.

  

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Reply #19 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:58pm
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:47am:
You don’t change your core values or principles.



If that were true we'd still live in caves and hunt with sticks ..

  
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