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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #10 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 10:19am
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Afghan Leader Blindsided by U.S. Meeting With Taliban, Officials Say

KABUL, Afghanistan — When the White House ordered American diplomats this summer to engage the Taliban directly in the hopes of jump-starting an Afghan peace process, many in Afghanistan welcomed it as a vital first step in trying to break the stalemate that dominates the 17-year war here.

Publicly, President Ashraf Ghani was among them, projecting a measured tone. But officials say that in private, the Afghan leader repeatedly expressed concern and resistance to American officials about the prospect of talks that did not include his government.

They say his concern was that such talks, which the Taliban have insisted should not include the Afghan government, could become a fatal marginalization of the country’s leadership at a hazardous moment.

Last week, Mr. Ghani’s fears came true, in a humiliating way that he had worked to avoid.

The American special envoy, Zalmay Khalilzad, just days after hearing the Mr. Ghani’s concerns in Kabul, the Afghan capital, flew to the gulf state of Qatar and quietly met with Taliban representatives. Mr. Ghani and his government heard of that meeting only through news reports, and found out further details not through his American allies — even after he asked — but through a Taliban statement, according to several officials with detailed knowledge of the developments...

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #11 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 11:11am
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Taliban attack meeting attended by General Miller, kills Kandahar police chief

The Taliban claimed credit for an attack at a high level meeting in Kandahar that killed General Raziq, the province’s chief of police and arguably the most powerful man in southern Afghanistan. General Austin Miller, the commander of Resolute Support, was present but was not wounded. The assassination of Raziq is a major blow to the Afghan government and may significantly impact the security situation in Kandahar and throughout the south...

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #12 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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More on the Taliban attack; Taliban claims the U.S. general was the target...

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3 top Afghan officials killed by guards, US general survives

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The three top officials in Afghanistan’s Kandahar province were killed when their own guards opened fire on them at a security conference Thursday, the deputy provincial governor said, and a Taliban spokesman said the target was Washington’s top general in Afghanistan, Gen. Scott Miller, who escaped without injury, according to NATO...

It was members of Wesa’s elite guard unit who turned their guns on their colleagues during a high-level security meeting ahead of Saturday’s parliamentary elections...

In a telephone interview, the spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan’s southern region, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, said the Taliban carried out the attack. He said Gen. Miller was the target and said Raziq, the governor and the intelligence chief were killed...

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #13 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 2:08pm
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The US may have to accept that there is a permanent low-level war in Afghanistan, requiring a corresponding low level US participation.  One problem is that today, the US fights PC wars, as opposed to WW2 when we leveled cities till the enemy got the message.  The alternative to fighting the islamofascists is that otherwise they take over one or more countries, and THEN we are in real trouble because they have a solid base and national resources to do things like send ICBMs to the US, make suitcase nukes and biological weapons.
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #14 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 2:18pm
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patrick2 wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
The US may have to accept that there is a permanent low-level war in Afghanistan, requiring a corresponding low level US participation.

As a practical matter, we've been in a low-level war in Afghanistan since at least 2003. 

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One problem is that today, the US fights PC wars, as opposed to WW2 when we leveled cities till the enemy got the message.

What are we going to level in Afghanistan to send a message to the Taliban? We dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb in our arsenal on the Taliban; today, they targeted a U.S. general.
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #15 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 2:26pm
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Demos wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 2:18pm:
As a practical matter, we've been in a low-level war in Afghanistan since at least 2003. 


Like, I said, a permanent war.  Not because permanent wars are fun things, but because that's the nature of islamofascism, at least for now.  Many things are like that, e.g., we can never be finally done with hurricanes - they always come back and we'll always have to deal with them.

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What are we going to level in Afghanistan to send a message to the Taliban? We dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb in our arsenal on the Taliban; today, they targeted a U.S. general.


Wellll, e.g., we may move civilians out of the worst areas, and then bomb anything that moves - like in Germany in WW2. 

One way or another, we have to deal with it.  WE can give up, but they won't.
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #16 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 3:19pm
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patrick2 wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
Like, I said, a permanent war...

We can't sustain that financially, and eventually, the government won't be able to sustain it politically. 

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Wellll, e.g., we may move civilians out of the worst areas, and then bomb anything that moves - like in Germany in WW2.

Except this isn't Germany in the 1940s. This is a country which has been completely destroyed for decades (since the Soviet invasion), and there's not much left for us to destroy. The Taliban is also fully prepared to wait us out, and Pakistan is perfectly willing to allow them to wait it out on their side of the border (which its been doing since we invaded), so it's not just the Taliban that we're dealing with. Any thing we do in Afghanistan requires cooperation from Pakistan, which we're not getting (and have never really gotten). 

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One way or another, we have to deal with it.  WE can give up, but they won't.

The best way to deal with it is diplomatically, imo. The Taliban only seems interested in ruling Afghanistan, and I think we can make it clear that we would not support them harboring another terrorist group like AQ without severe consequences. It would be good if they would pursue that through a political process, but that appears increasingly unlikely. If we don't want to make a deal with the Taliban, then we have to apply pressure to Pakistan to stop supporting them.
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #17 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 3:27pm
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Demos wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:53pm:
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Interesting to see where this goes from here, particularly if we intend to take a backseat in any negotiations.

You can bet that the Taliban. Pakistan, Iran and Syria, as well as China and Russia (and Israel) are all keenly watching how the US handles the Khashoggi matter.  Saudi Arabia is a key to our efforts to have any eventual lasting peace in the Middle East.

By Middle East Standards, when a Saudi is killed by the Saudi's in another Muslim country (in the Sovereign territory of the Saudi Embassy) what business is it of any other country, including the US. (unless we make it our business and are willing to pay whatever price must be paid to stick our noses into the way the Saudi's deal with their own citizens outside of the US.  We're not all that much liked or appreciated when we attempt to be the wold's policeman!

How much do you think Russia or China (or any other country in the Middle East) gives a flying fig about what Saudi Arabia may have done to one of their own?
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 3:27pm:
Saudi Arabia is a key to our efforts to have any eventual lasting peace in the Middle East.

By pouring gas on everything?

And Pakistan doesn't have to look at how we handle the Khashoggi murder; we've been ignoring their bullsh*t for about as long as we've been ignoring Saudi Arabia's.

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By Middle East Standards, when a Saudi is killed by the Saudi's in another Muslim country (in the Sovereign territory of the Saudi Embassy) what business is it of any other country, including the US.

By Middle East Standards? What does this even mean? Turkey - a Muslim country in the Middle East - obviously took issue with it. 

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How much do you think Russia or China (or any other country in the Middle East) gives a flying fig about what Saudi Arabia may have done to one of their own?

Russia and China also don't have the same interests in the Middle East that we do either. If we want to divest ourselves of those interests, we can let them do whatever they want.
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #19 - Oct 23rd, 2018 at 3:42pm
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U.S., Gulf States Blacklist Afghan Taliban, Iranian Officers For Terrorist Financing

A seven-country group set up to combat the international financing of terrorists has blacklisted nine individuals associated with Afghanistan’s Taliban, including two Iranian military officers and several men accused of “facilitating Iranian support to bolster the terrorist group.”

The announcement by the U.S. Treasury Department on October 23 says the Terrorist Financing Targeting Center (TFTC) blacklisted the individuals in order to “expose and disrupt [the] Taliban…and their Iranian sponsors that seek to undermine the security of the Afghan government.”

Other TFTC member countries joining the action include Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates...

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A little background on why Iran - a nation which initially assisted in our invasion of Afghanistan because of their opposition to the Taliban - is now backing them: The Odd Couple: Why Iran Is Backing the Taliban

I do find it a little funny, and a tad ironic, that Iran is now being sanctioned by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States who helped incubate and fund the Taliban.
  
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