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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #130 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 11:58am
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U.S. Views Mixed on War in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Peace negotiations between the U.S. and Taliban negotiators collapsed this past weekend. The cancellation of the talks leaves the future of the war in Afghanistan in question, as Americans' views of the war effort are holding steady from Gallup's last measure, conducted four years ago, with 43% currently saying it was a mistake to send troops there and 52% saying it was not a mistake.

These data come from Gallup's latest survey, conducted Aug. 15-30, as peace talks took place between U.S. and Taliban negotiators in Qatar. Gallup asked a similar question concerning the wisdom of the war in Afghanistan from November 2001 through May 2011 and found majority support for the war throughout the period. In November 2001, shortly after the U.S. sent troops to Afghanistan, 9% of Americans said the war was a mistake, while 89% believed it was not. By July 2004, the percentage expressing opposition to the war had increased to 25%; it reached 43% in August 2010. Since then, opinions have largely stabilized, including 39% of Americans saying the war was a mistake and 58% saying it was not shortly after the death of Osama bin Laden in May 2011.

In all but one post-2011 reading, the slight majority of Americans have continued to say the war was not a mistake, as they do today, while just over four in 10 have said it was a mistake. The lone exception came in 2014, after then-President Barack Obama announced a plan for the withdrawal of most U.S. forces...

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #131 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:16am
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We Lost the War in Afghanistan. Get Over It.

Afghanistan has been back in the news lately, but most commentators are missing the big picture. In recent weeks there has been a raft of articles suggesting the United States and the Taliban were nearing a peace deal that would enable the United States to withdraw most, if not all, of its forces there. These rumors prompted immediate warnings from skeptics such as retired Gen. David Petraeus, who failed to win the war on his watch but wants his successors to keep trying, and assorted other hawks who want America’s longest war to continue and still think victory is achievable...

In fact, all this recent juicy hoopla is missing the big picture. We can palaver about peace terms, residual forces, the implications for the upcoming Afghan elections, et cetera, as long as we want, but the cold, hard reality is that the United States lost the war in Afghanistan. All we are debating—whether in talks with the Taliban or in op-ed pages back home—is the size and shape of the fig leaf designed to conceal a major strategic failure, after 18 years of war, thousands of lives lost, and hundreds of billions of dollars squandered.

To be clear, the Afghan debacle is not, strictly speaking, a military defeat. The Taliban never vanquished the U.S. military in a large-scale clash of arms, or caused its forces there to collapse. Instead, it is a defeat in the Clausewitzian sense—18 years of war and “nation building” did not produce the political aims that U.S. leaders (both Republicans and Democrats) had set for themselves. The reason is fairly simple: Afghanistan’s fate was never going to be determined by foreigners coming from 7,000 miles away...

The taproot of the problem, of course, is the enormous difficulty of the sort of large-scale social engineering the United States was attempting in a country so very, very different from it. Trying to turn Afghanistan into a modern, Western-style democracy was an act of extraordinary hubris, and all the more so when U.S. leaders told themselves they could do it quickly...

All of this has been obvious for a long time—indeed, for more than a decade...

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #132 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 2:47pm
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Trump vows to hit Taliban 'harder' than ever as US marks 9/11

President Donald Trump pledged to hit the Taliban "harder" than ever as America on Wednesday marked the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks that led the country into war in Afghanistan...

He said that over "the last four days," US forces have "hit our enemy harder than they have ever been hit before and that will continue."

The nature of the offensive was not immediately clear, but Trump said it was ordered after he canceled peace talks with the Taliban over the weekend in retaliation for a bomb attack that killed one US soldier last week...

"If for any reason they come back to our country, we will go wherever they are, and use power, the likes of which the United States has never used before," Trump said...

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Um, Mr. President, the Taliban never came to our shores.

It's looking like getting rid of Bolton was not necessarily a good sign.
  
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Reply #133 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 10:31am
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Democratic presidential candidates debate Afghanistan

DEBATING DEFENSE: Afghanistan and America’s commitments around the globe dominated the relatively brief national security portion of Thursday night’s Democratic presidential debate. The highlights:

On Afghanistan, Sen. Elizabeth Warren said she would pull U.S. troops out of the country even without a peace deal with the Taliban.

“We cannot ask our military to keep solving problems that cannot be solved militarily,” she said. “We're not going to bomb our way to a solution in Afghanistan.”

Former Vice President Joe Biden noted that he opposed the surge in Afghanistan because the country “cannot be put together.”

“We can prevent the United States from being the victim of terror coming out of Afghanistan by providing for bases — insist the Pakistanis provide bases for us to airlift from and to move against what we know.”

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Reply #134 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:09am
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My untutored expectation is that we are eventually going to get out, and the Taliban will take control again like they were in 2001, pre-9/11. That has been my expectation since 2005 and earlier. Where am I wrong?
  

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #135 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:18am
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The D-Man wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:09am:
My untutored expectation is that we are eventually going to get out, and the Taliban will take control again like they were in 2001, pre-9/11. That has been my expectation since 2005 and earlier. Where am I wrong?

Anyone who's being realistic should have that expectation by now, because the Afghan government cannot last without our support. People in charge - through multiple administrations now - either don't want to admit that or naively believe they can still succeed.
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #136 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:26am
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Demos wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:18am:
Anyone who's being realistic should have that expectation by now, because the Afghan government cannot last without our support. People in charge - through multiple administrations now - either don't want to admit that or naively believe they can still succeed.


We went in and propped up something artificial that cannot stand without us holding it up, a la Wile E. Coyote.
  

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Democrat subpoenas U.S. special envoy for Afghanistan to appear before panel

The chairman of a top House committee on Thursday subpoenaed the U.S. special envoy for Afghanistan to testify before lawmakers next week after the State Department repeatedly failed to make the diplomat available.

The subpoena follows a collapse in peace negotiations between the Trump administration and the Afghan Taliban, and after President Donald Trump’s move to scrap a secret meeting with the Islamist militia at Camp David.

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), who leads the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad needed to appear before Congress so lawmakers and the American people could“understand how this process went off the rails.”

Engel said Khalilzad must appear before the panel on Sept. 19. The subpoena is the first Engel’s committee has issued this Congress, according to a statement from his office...

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #138 - yesterday at 8:16am
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Sorry Demos, not Afghanistan but relates to Pompeo and the Peace Process...

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Washington (CNN)Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pinned the blame on Iran for an attack at a Saudi oil field in a pair of tweets Saturday.
Drone strikes on crucial Saudi Arabian oil facilities have disrupted about half of the kingdom's oil capacity, or 5% of the daily global oil supply, CNN Business reported earlier Saturday. Yemen's Houthi rebels took responsibility for the attacks but they are often backed by Iran.
But preliminary indications are that the attacks did not originate from Yemen and likely originated from Iraq, according to a source with knowledge of the incident. The same official said the damage was caused by an armed drone attack.
CNN National Security Analyst Peter Bergen said there have been more than 200 drone attacks launched by Houthi rebels from Yemen into Saudi Arabia, and none have been as effective as Saturday's attack, lending credence to the belief that the attack did not originate from Yemen.


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Tehran is behind nearly 100 attacks on Saudi Arabia while Rouhani and Zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy. Amid all the calls for de-escalation, Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply.  There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.


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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
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Just updated the Iran thread. Interestingly, the Houthis' statement suggested they had help from within Saudi Arabia.
  
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