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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #50 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 12:49pm
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Afghan forces lose ground as peace efforts continue

The security forces continue to lose grip over parts of Afghanistan and the Taliban are steadily holding their own, despite an increase in the US air attacks against the armed group, a US watchdog agency has said....

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To Slow U.S. Exit, Afghanistan Leader Offers Trump a Cost Reduction

KABUL, Afghanistan — Unnerved by fears of a rushed American deal with Taliban insurgents, President Ashraf Ghani of Afghanistan sent a letter on Tuesday to President Trump offering him reduced costs for keeping United States troops in the country...

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As U.S. Mulls Withdrawal From Afghanistan, Russia Wants Back in

As Washington mulls a full withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, Moscow is angling to take a leading role in the country’s future as part of a broader effort to counter the United States and NATO in the region...

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Reply #51 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 12:54pm
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Damn, I know it's an unpopular position to take.

But it sure seems like a great idea to leave Russia holding the bag in all these shitholes we only pay attention to because of last century's technology.

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Reply #52 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 1:02pm
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And here's neocon Max Boot arguing we need to stay, and guess what, these wars are completely sustainable because we can just keep throwing volunteers at them (yeah, see no draft so no one is going to get upset and more soldiers die in training accidents than combat):

Why winning and losing are irrelevant in Syria and Afghanistan

As someone else pointed out, Boot is basically making a Sunk-Cost fallacy argument.
  
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Reply #53 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 7:34pm
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These kinds of deployments are invariably lengthy and frustrating. Think of our Indian Wars, which lasted roughly 300 years (circa 1600-1890)


"Look, afghanistan is tough, but do you want to do a genocide or what"
  

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Reply #54 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 7:45pm
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Let the Russians have it and we can send our neocons over as advisors...
  

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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #55 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 7:57pm
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On the way home from work, Obama's ambassador to Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker was explaining why we needed to stay in Afghanistan, perhaps indefinitely.

Former U.S. Ambassador Says Withdraw From Afghanistan Is Surrender - NPR - 3 hrs ago

To sum up .. (paraphrasing from memory)

1- Right now we need to send a strong signal to our enemies that are all over the Middle East that we will not be intimidated and they cannot wait us out, and a strong signal to our allies that we're willing to go the distance and commit.  We "lack patience" and our enemies know this.  We need to be "more patient" and commit to staying in Afghanistan as long as necessary.

2- We need to be defending our values.  We have spent a great deal of time, money and effort on advancing the cause of women and educating young girls in Afghanistan, and the Taliban opposes this.

He literally said "We should, and can afford to stay there indefinitely."

Look.  I get it.  Only 2,372 US military members have died in Afghanistan.  A pittance really in the grand scheme of wars. 

But the thing every neo con warhawk always forgets is ... each one of those lives was pretty damn important to the person who lost it. 

We're dealing with some male/female issues of our own right now.  I'm thinking maybe we should be focusing on our own problems for the cause of women and stop lecturing everybody else about how they should behave.

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Reply #56 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 1:46pm
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U.S. negotiators to meet Taliban delegation in Islamabad on Feb. 18: Taliban spokesman

KABUL (Reuters) - Taliban negotiators will meet their U.S. counterparts on Feb. 18 in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad as part of accelerating diplomacy to end more than 17 years of war in Afghanistan, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said on Wednesday.

The talks come a week ahead of previously scheduled negotiations between the two sides in Qatar on Feb. 25. Mujahid said in a statement that the Qatar talks would still take place as scheduled...

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Reply #57 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 2:07pm
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To Slow U.S. Exit, Afghanistan Leader Offers Trump a Cost Reduction


Huh

They charging us rent or something?...Not sure that the argument that "we'll charge you less money to support your troops while you fight our war for us" is a winning argument.
  

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Reply #58 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 2:20pm
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Lomelis wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Huh

They charging us rent or something?...Not sure that the argument that "we'll charge you less money to support your troops while you fight our war for us" is a winning argument.

Basically it was about how we could spend less:

"The official said the possibilities they had envisioned could save as much as $2 billion a year for the United States, drawing from areas such as maintenance contracts, and reduce the level of American troops to as low a 3,000."
  
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Re: Pompeo, Afghanistan, and the Peace Process
Reply #59 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 2:47pm
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Demos wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 2:20pm:
Basically it was about how we could spend less:

"The official said the possibilities they had envisioned could save as much as $2 billion a year for the United States, drawing from areas such as maintenance contracts, and reduce the level of American troops to as low a 3,000."


Lol.

Well I think we all know how we could spend less.  It's definitely a different twist.
  

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