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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #10 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:21pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
I love your "fact" about the percentage of people in the United States that actually owned slaves..  My personal favorite.

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There are a few stats here

- the percentage of blacks in Africa as a percent of whites who captured and sold black slaves to Europeans and the americas

- the percent of whites in America, post 1776, who owned black slaves

- the percentage of blacks in America who owned black slaves post 1776

- countries and races today that still practice slavery and and human trafficking. Who are they?

  
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:24pm
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
There are a few stats here

- the percentage of blacks in Africa as a percent of whites who captured and sold black slaves to Europeans and the americas

- the percent of whites in America, post 1776, who owned black slaves

- the percentage of blacks in America who owned black slaves post 1776

- countries and races today that still practice slavery and and human trafficking. Who are they?


Do you feel the black race is inferior to the white race? Stu does and I am curious what your take is. Please state your opinion for the record. Are whites a fundamentally superior race and blacks an inferior race?


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Reply #12 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:16pm
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Vypr wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
Do you feel the black race is inferior to the white race? Stu does and I am curious what your take is. Please state your opinion for the record. Are whites a fundamentally superior race and blacks an inferior race?




Of course not. I do get extremely frustrated when some continue to talk about slavery as an “exclusive” white America thing, in the context of our evil past. I’d like to believe most all agree no human should own another. It’s horriffic.

Go to places like Bermuda, which is mostly all black and I’d consider that a model place with model people. Great economy, safe, vibrant, proud, very low unemployment etc.

Blacks in America have great leaders. Ursula from xerox, Ben Carson etc. at the same time, in America, many have glorified the gang culture, dads having kids and not raising them etc.

I also can’t stand white skinheads or thugs of white guys that don’t raise their kids.

There is a massive difference between profiling, stereotypes and racism. Racism is strictly a belief that one race is inherently better than another race, due to genetics or just natural inherent reasons.

If you cite data, that is not racism, especially if in the context of trying to solve a problem.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:19pm
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:16pm:

The moment we start talking about "blacks" and "whites" as a class of people, we're engaging in race based thinking. We're being racists.
  

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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
There is a massive difference between profiling, stereotypes and racism. Racism is strictly a belief that one race is inherently better than another race, due to genetics or just natural inherent reasons.

If you cite data, that is not racism, especially if in the context of trying to solve a problem.

The moment we start talking about "blacks" and "whites" as a class of people, we're engaging in race based thinking. We're being racists.
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:23pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
The moment we start talking about "blacks" and "whites" as a class of people, we're engaging in race based thinking. We're being racists.


How do you feel about “black entertainment tv” or the various awards at the Grammys, emmys etc “best black new artist” etc.

Those are not “white created” themes, businesses and titles/awards.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:23pm:
How do you feel about “black entertainment tv” or the various awards at the Grammys, emmys etc “best black new artist” etc.


Doesn't bother me but I do think there is an element of racism there.

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Those are not “white created” themes, businesses and titles/awards.

No doubt.

Racism is not a "white" invention. Of course, even saying such a thing strikes me as racist.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:34pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Doesn't bother me but I do think there is an element of racism there.

No doubt.

Racism is not a "white" invention. Of course, even saying such a thing strikes me as racist.


I believe, and I may be wrong, that an element of racism is one must be in the majority. I may be wrong here.

My point is I have no problem with these things I mentioned. Heck there are dating sites like meetblackpeople and blackcupid. I have no issue with this. There are Irish American clubs and English pubs etc.

My point is you can’t make great efforts to separate yourself out as a group, and then get upset when people use those same groupings to highlight stats. Whether that’s the percent in the nba or the percent of crime committed or percent with no dad around.

We profile xxy males for serial killers, who are always white. That’s not a bad thing, it’s statistically significant.




  
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #18 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:57pm
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:34pm:
I believe, and I may be wrong, that an element of racism is one must be in the majority. I may be wrong here.

My point is I have no problem with these things I mentioned. Heck there are dating sites like meetblackpeople and blackcupid. I have no issue with this. There are Irish American clubs and English pubs etc.

My point is you can’t make great efforts to separate yourself out as a group, and then get upset when people use those same groupings to highlight stats. Whether that’s the percent in the nba or the percent of crime committed or percent with no dad around.

We profile xxy males for serial killers, who are always white. That’s not a bad thing, it’s statistically significant.





Yes, you are correct.  You can have racist thoughts like stu and patty.  But for racism to be a part of the culture or society you live in, you either have to be the majority or have the most  societal power.  Jim Crow and Apartheid or good examples 
  

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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
I'll try but it might be beyond my ability. Insulting is "like 90% of what I do here."
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #19 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:04pm
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:34pm:
I believe, and I may be wrong, that an element of racism is one must be in the majority. I may be wrong here.

My point is I have no problem with these things I mentioned. Heck there are dating sites like meetblackpeople and blackcupid. I have no issue with this. There are Irish American clubs and English pubs etc.

My point is you can’t make great efforts to separate yourself out as a group, and then get upset when people use those same groupings to highlight stats. Whether that’s the percent in the nba or the percent of crime committed or percent with no dad around.

We profile xxy males for serial killers, who are always white. That’s not a bad thing, it’s statistically significant.

In my view, majority or minority status is not relevant. What is relevant is whether we view people through the lens of race.

I also don't have a problem with the things you mentioned. They are examples of people consciously choosing to associate together, for what ever reason.

In my mind, this is different from what racists do. Racists tend to lump people they don't know together in a class, as if "blacks" or "whites" were all the same, or shared some innate traits.
  

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