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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #30 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
The moment we start talking about "blacks" and "whites" as a class of people, we're engaging in race based thinking. We're being racists.

So if someone were to say blacks are better athletes, are racists?
  
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #31 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:28pm
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Zephyr wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
So if someone were to say blacks are better athletes, are racists?

Yeah, in my mind that is a form of racial thinking.

The issue is the word "blacks" as if that was a real thing.
  

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Reply #32 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:33pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Yeah, in my mind that is a form of racial thinking.

The issue is the word "blacks" as if that was a real thing.


How about male / female?
  
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #33 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:37pm
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
How about male / female?

Male and female definitely exist as attributes. But we often collectivize there too.

"Men are like this and women are like that." Except.. when they're not.
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Reply #34 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:38pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:37pm:
Men and women definitely exist. But we often collectivize there too.

"Men are like this and women are like that." Except.. when they're not.


There are truly physical and neurological differences.
  
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #35 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
There are truly physical and neurological differences.

Certainly. And they're are cultural tendencies that become stereotypes.

But at the end of the day men, women, whites, blacks do not actually exist. There are only individuals who happen to have some mixture of attributes.

When we lump people together into groups based on these attributes, we are imagining something that only exists in our minds.
  

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Reply #36 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:51pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Certainly. And they're are cultural tendencies that become stereotypes.

But at the end of the day men, women, whites, blacks do not actually exist. There are only individuals who happen to have some mixture of attributes.

When we lump people together into groups based on these attributes, we are imagining something that only exists in our minds.


Perhaps. The fact is all we do as people is group and categorize. For marketing oerposes, for profiling, for hiring. It can be very good or bad in practice. But that I cannot See ever going away.

If science ignores observation and data and trends it’s never progress. We do the same thing naturally in almost everything we do and every experience we have.
  
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #37 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:01pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
We haven't done a good enough job being the kind of board that would attract the class of left liberal you say you want.

But we are very good at pulling out the worst in each other.


We seem to have some very low class conservatives here on LNF.

Just sayin'. Not naming names.
  

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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #38 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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petep wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
Perhaps. The fact is all we do as people is group and categorize. For marketing oerposes, for profiling, for hiring. It can be very good or bad in practice. But that I cannot See ever going away.


No doubt. It's natural.

And to some extent it's fine. But I think many of us have taken this thinking way too far. The collective becomes the real thing, while the individual almost ceases to exist.
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Re: Why do libs here mostly refuse to debate issues?
Reply #39 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:09pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:01pm:
We seem to have some very low class conservatives here on LNF.

Do our progressives deserve anything better?

No doubt there are some great left wing posters here who make thoughtful arguments. Limey comes to mind. But you have to admit there are a few who look to instigate and troll the right.

I see LNF as a nice balance. Our lefties and our righties are almost a mirror image of each other.
  

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