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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #60 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:31pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
He did.

I don't see it.
  

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Reply #61 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:31pm
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
But you're making that argument right now and it's a valid argument, no ruse.

Your position that I generally have the right to protect my property from contagions (be they sound, chemical or whatever) is a valid property rights based argument.

The other argument that I generally have the right to partake of tobacco in my property is also a valid property rights based argument.

This is a property rights debate. The rights of neither side is absolute. That's where the negotiation takes place.


Do your children have the right to breathe an unpolluted air or is that up to you?
  

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Reply #62 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
I don't see it.


It's practically his first and only answer to one of my posts.
  

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #63 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:36pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
It's practically his first and only answer to one of my posts.

Oh, I saw the post. It's the attack I am not seeing.
  

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Reply #64 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:37pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
Do your children have the right to breathe an unpolluted air or is that up to you?


Yes, they do.
  



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Reply #65 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:38pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:36pm:
Oh, I saw the post. It's the attack I am not seeing.


I think I made my point.
  

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #66 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:39pm
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
But you're making that argument right now and it's a valid argument, no ruse.

Your position that I generally have the right to protect my property from contagions (be they sound, chemical or whatever) is a valid property rights based argument.

The other argument that I generally have the right to partake of tobacco in my property is also a valid property rights based argument.

This is a property rights debate. The rights of neither side is absolute. That's where the negotiation takes place.


Well, of course none of my arguments could ever be ruses.

But the argument that restricting smoking in homes violates  property rights is a ruse, because it fails to take into account the property rights of neighbors who do not want to inhale second hand smoke. I hope I've made this clear for you now.

Further: a ruse is a deceptive argument. It's deceptive to argue it's a matter of property rights when only the property rights of one side are considered.


  

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Reply #67 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:40pm
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:37pm:
Yes, they do.


So, is it legit for people with children to smoke in their presence, knowing that the part of the smoke that goes down is far more dangerous than the one that goes up?
  

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #68 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:42pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
Well, of course none of my arguments could ever be ruses.

But the argument that restricting smoking in homes violates  property rights is a ruse, because it fails to take into account the property rights of neighbors who do not want to inhale second hand smoke. I hope I've made this clear for you now.

Further: a ruse is a deceptive argument. It's deceptive to argue it's a matter of property rights when only the property rights of one side are considered.



I think you might be dismissing the conflict between property rights that is involved here.

Not being able to smoke in your home is a loss of property rights. It's probably the only way to move forward because of the dangers of second hand smoke, but we shouldn't act like some sort of compromise between rights is not taking place here.
  

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #69 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:42pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
Well, of course none of my arguments could ever be ruses.

But the argument that restricting smoking in homes violates  property rights is a ruse, because it fails to take into account the property rights of neighbors who do not want to inhale second hand smoke. I hope I've made this clear for you now.

Further: a ruse is a deceptive argument. It's deceptive to argue it's a matter of property rights when only the property rights of one side are considered.




Believe it or not, you and I are not very far apart on this.

Let me ask you this. I live in the country. There is a house across the street, but the other nearest neighbor is just under a mile away. Would you say I have the right to smoke in my house or not? Assume I live alone. I don't, but assume that for now.
  



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