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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #70 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
So, is it legit for people with children to smoke in their presence, knowing that the part of the smoke that goes down is far more dangerous than the one that goes up?


Are you saying the smoke that is directly inhaled from the cigarette is less dangerous than that which is breathed out? If so, the important factor would be how much less dangerous.
  


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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #71 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:47pm
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:42pm:
Believe it or not, you and I are not very far apart on this.

Let me ask you this. I live in the country. There is a house across the street, but the other nearest neighbor is just under a mile away. Would you say I have the right to smoke in my house or not? Assume I live alone. I don't, but assume that for now.


As far as I am concerned you are free to poison yourself all you want as long as no one else is affected as well.

For instance, if you hire someone (a nonsmoker) to work in your home, then unless he's agreed to work (by contract) in a polluted environment you have no right to impose your smoking on that person.
  

Queshank wrote on Oct 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
FC,

I've been thinking about how I can respond conversationally without coming across as a total dick.

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #72 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:54pm
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Are you saying the smoke that is directly inhaled from the cigarette is less dangerous than that which is breathed out? If so, the important factor would be how much less dangerous.


Not exactly, in the smoke that you breathe out as well as the one coming from the cigarette itself. There is a part that is heavier than the air and a part that is lighter than it. The part that's heavier is more dangerous to inhale that the one that's lighter. That's why tall people or more generally adults are less affected by second-hand smoking than children, aside from the fact that children are more fragile and are poisoned by smaller dosages than adults of course.
  

Queshank wrote on Oct 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
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I've been thinking about how I can respond conversationally without coming across as a total dick.

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #73 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:54pm
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:42pm:
Believe it or not, you and I are not very far apart on this.

Let me ask you this. I live in the country. There is a house across the street, but the other nearest neighbor is just under a mile away. Would you say I have the right to smoke in my house or not? Assume I live alone. I don't, but assume that for now.


I am reminded of the saying we all learned in childhood.

Everyone has the freedom to swing a baseball bat, but not if it's going to cause injury, damage, or other unwanted upset.

This also, by the way, illustrates the difference between our law system (based on English Common Law) and the Napoleonic system. In our system, various activities are legal if they are not declared illegal. In Napoleonic law, various activities are legal only if the law says they are.

Take your pick.

  

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #74 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:58pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
I am reminded of the saying we all learned in childhood.

Everyone has the freedom to swing a baseball bat, but not if it's going to cause injury, damage, or other unwanted upset.


Ok, then that's what I see as a negotiation of property rights. My bat vs. your face. Or, in the case of this thread, my condo vs. your condo.

It's entirely possible we're just disagreeing on terminology. As I said, I agree that you should keep your smoke in your home. Once it enters mine we have a problem. But there are limits to that and it centers around the words "injury" "damage" and "unwanted upset." (Especially the last one.)
  


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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #75 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:04pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
Not exactly, in the smoke that you breathe out as well as the one coming from the cigarette itself. There is a part that is heavier than the air and a part that is lighter than it. The part that's heavier is more dangerous to inhale that the one that's lighter. That's why tall people or more generally adults are less affected by second-hand smoking than children, aside from the fact that children are more fragile and are poisoned by smaller dosages than adults of course.


I haven't really studied the science behind this very much. I've certainly heard that second hand smoke is bad of course, but I can't pretend I know exactly how bad.

Generally, I am loathe to use government to limit what people can do in their own homes if they aren't harming others. So the issue is on how much harm there is. I know that sounds callous. Any harm to a child is too much harm, right? But we all expose our children to some harm. So, as I say, it depends.

If the research shows that there is a significant risk to the health of a child in the house of a smoker, I could consider some kind of restriction at the State level, but it would need to be implemented gradually and possibly allow for some grandfathering out of current smokers. We're dealing with an addiction here and very, very bad things can happen when we use the government to take away addictive substances. 
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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #76 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:38pm
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IF no one can smoke then no one should be able to BBQ.    Then what about venting your cooking outside from your Cook stove or your fireplace. 

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #77 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:43pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
Tell me why that "most calm and respectful member"  attacked me unprovoked.

That's something I'd be really interested to hear.

You’ll have to quote it. I can’t find it.
  

Wadsworth wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
You are awfully concerned about who gets to live.  Why is it so important to you?
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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #78 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:58pm
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walkstall wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
IF no one can smoke then no one should be able to BBQ.    Then what about venting your cooking outside from your Cook stove or your fireplace. 

What's Good for the Goose Is Good for the Gander.



I don't think I ever tried barbecued goose.

Is it good?
  

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Re: Should you be able to smoke in your own home?
Reply #79 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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Who owns the wall that conjoins the two units?
  
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