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Does net neutrality violate the 1st Amendment rights of corporate ISPs?
Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:25am
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After all, corporations are people, except when they don't want to.

Should the ISP be allowed to block anything that they find objectionable?
  

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Re: Does net neutrality violate the 1st Amendment rights of corporate ISPs?
Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:15am
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Silly me, thinking that anyone would be interested in judge kavanaugh's wacky opinion about free speech.

Oh, the horror of an individual saying something bad about a corporation. It is the 1st amendment right of all corporations to silence opinions of people as they see fit.

  

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Re: Does net neutrality violate the 1st Amendment rights of corporate ISPs?
Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:26am
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:15am:
Silly me, thinking that anyone would be interested in judge kavanaugh's wacky opinion about free speech.

Oh, the horror of an individual saying something bad about a corporation. It is the 1st amendment right of all corporations to silence opinions of people as they see fit.



Given that you appear to be talking about something very specific, rather than a general theory, why don't you offer a quote or something else more substantial for us to respond to?
  



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Reply #3 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:31am
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Here ya go

Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Given that you appear to be talking about something very specific, rather than a general theory, why don't you offer a quote or something else more substantial for us to respond to?



https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/07/10/disaster-internet-freedom-trump-sup...

Kavanaugh's opinions include his assertion that net neutrality rules are "unlawful and must be vacated"

He's also big on warrantless searching of individuals, but I would guess that corporations would be exempt

"While Kavanaugh's past rulings as a federal appeals court judge demonstrate his concern for the rights of giant corporations, they also lay bare his apparent contempt for the privacy rights of Americans.

As Politico reported ahead of his nomination, Kavanaugh "has a history of embracing warrantless surveillance and rejecting Fourth Amendment challenges to it."

In a concurring opinion in 2015, Kavanaugh argued that the National Security Agency's warrentless metadata collection program—which was exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden in 2013—is "consistent with the Fourth Amendment" "

  

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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:32am
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There's more if you want
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:38am
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:32am:
There's more if you want


Let's focus on net neutrality. I've studied this some, but not much. You may be more informed than I.

Why does he does he find them unlawful?
  



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Reply #6 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:48am
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Maestro wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:38am:
Let's focus on net neutrality. I've studied this some, but not much. You may be more informed than I.

Why does he does he find them unlawful?



He says that net neutrality violates the 1st amendment rights of corporations to censor content they find objectionable.

You know, the only corporation I could find in 1789 was king George's East India Tea Company, but I guess an originalist like kavanaugh was able to assertain that we would have included corporations if they had only known.
  

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Re: Does net neutrality violate the 1st Amendment rights of corporate ISPs?
Reply #7 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:59am
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:48am:
He says that net neutrality violates the 1st amendment rights of corporations to censor content they find objectionable.

You know, the only corporation I could find in 1789 was king George's East India Tea Company, but I guess an originalist like kavanaugh was able to assertain that we would have included corporations if they had only known.


He's full of shit on that.

ISP's are in effect public utilities. Most have to get local government approval to string their wires and cables. Censoring otherwise legal content over those wires would be similar to a phone company eavesdropping on conversations and cutting the connection if they don't approve of the discussion.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 12:03pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:59am:
He's full of shit on that.

ISP's are in effect public utilities. Most have to get local government approval to string their wires and cables. Censoring otherwise legal content over those wires would be similar to a phone company eavesdropping on conversations and cutting the connection if they don't approve of the discussion.


And when the 5 "vote" their party line that you are wrong, there will be four who rule with you.

Oh well


I just don't get why the right and the liberatopians aren't more upset with this guy
  

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Re: Does net neutrality violate the 1st Amendment rights of corporate ISPs?
Reply #9 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 12:05pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:59am:
He's full of shit on that.

ISP's are in effect public utilities. Most have to get local government approval to string their wires and cables. Censoring otherwise legal content over those wires would be similar to a phone company eavesdropping on conversations and cutting the connection if they don't approve of the discussion.



The judge say it's their right
  

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