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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #30 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:32pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
If they had no interest in self defense or any other defense, they wouldn't be sending troops, arms, supplies and equipment to support US after Sept 11.  Not one of these countries was attacked that day, but they upheld their part of the NATO charter to supported US.  Many have DIED.  It ain't about money, it's about allies.  Allies that stand against Putin and Russia.  Putin knows this.  That's why he's got your savior, Trump in there.

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I think you are having a mental breakdown. Russia Russia Russia, is your mentality. Wrong wrong wrong. The problem here is with the (D) socialist party. They want us to be another Russia type run country. Everyone on their knees with their hands out to the government. Is that you Greg?

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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #31 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:33pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:30pm:
That's because your savior, Trump wants to break up NATO for Putin.

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Nope, this is your usual strawman that you love to resurrect.  This is nothing but a post to piss and moan about Trump.
  


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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #32 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:33pm
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Fiddler wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm:
I love the way you're being forced to defend Trump's idiotic policies ..  The hypocrisy is so apparent ..

Forced...  You just made me laugh a bit.   Cheesy
  


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Reply #33 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:34pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:33pm:
Nope, this is your usual strawman that you love to resurrect.  This is nothing but a post to piss and moan about Trump. 


Oh...  Tell me...  Your savior, Trump, is going to meet with Putin later.  Think he'll kiss his ring? 

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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #34 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:36pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:34pm:
Oh...  Tell me...  Your savior, Trump, is going to meet with Putin later.  Think he'll kiss his ring? 

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So instead of talking about the thread you started, you want to refocus on Russia.  Dude, you was laughing and mocking me with Romney, telling me there were Russians under my bed and now I have to say I am enjoying the complete turnaround.  I guess you are having to admit we were right all along, in your weird, round about way.  What ever.
  


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Reply #35 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:43pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
So instead of talking about the thread you started, you want to refocus on Russia.  Dude, you was laughing and mocking me with Romney, telling me there were Russians under my bed and now I have to say I am enjoying the complete turnaround.  I guess you are having to admit we were right all along, in your weird, round about way.  What ever.


It is about Russia.  NATO stands against Russian expansion into Europe.  Ask the Ukraine if they wished they'd taken up a membership in NATO when they had the chance.  Too late now.  On the other hand, the Poles joined NATO because they know what a Russian invasion looks like.  So do the Czechs, Hungarians and Slovaks.  Russia is afraid of NATO.  Putin wants them weakened.  Your savior Trump is helping him out.

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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #36 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:46pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:43pm:
It is about Russia.  NATO stands against Russian expansion into Europe.  Ask the Ukraine if they wished they'd taken up a membership in NATO when they had the chance.  Too late now.  On the other hand, the Poles joined NATO because they know what a Russian invasion looks like.  So do the Czechs, Hungarians and Slovaks.  Russia is afraid of NATO.  Putin wants them weakened.  Your savior Trump is helping him out.

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What you are arguing is that we should turn our heads to the costs to our nation while they spend little for their own defense?  I have no issue with supporting NATO, but I have issues when it is all off of our backs.  We have a 20 trillion dollar debt, time to assess our finances and alliances when nations rely on us for their defense spending while they get to pour their own resources to their GDP with little costs to their budget.  That is called free loading.
  


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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #37 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:49pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
What you are arguing is that we should turn our heads to the costs to our nation while they spend little for their own defense?  I have no issue with supporting NATO, but I have issues when it is all off of our backs.  We have a 20 trillion dollar debt, time to assess our finances and alliances when nations rely on us for their defense spending while they get to pour their own resources to their GDP with little costs to their budget.  That is called free loading.


So what do you think we should do about it?  Tell me.

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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #38 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:54pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm:
Let's wait and see but to be honest, I do not think it was ever ANY President's concern to get NATO to pay their agreed upon share.

So, when previous Presidents raised this issue, it wasn't a concern? Why? 

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I have no problems with attempting to realign the costs sharing since we carry the burden of it all, do you?

As I said, this has been a concern for a while, so how do we get NATO members to 2 percent of GDP?
  
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Re: Will Trump destroy NATO?
Reply #39 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:57pm
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FYI, Coalition deaths by country in Afghanistan:

Country

Albania 1
Australia 41
Belgium 1
Canada 158
Czech 10
Denmark 43
Estonia 9
Finland 2
France 86
Georgia 29
Germany 54
Hungary 7
Italy 48
Jordan 2
Latvia 3
Lithuania 1
NATO 19
Netherlands 25
New Zealand 11
Norway 10
Poland 40
Portugal 2
Romania 24
Slovakia 3
South Korea 1
Spain 34
Sweden 5
Turkey 14
UK 455
US 2412
Total 3550

http://icasualties.org/oef/

The only country attacked on 9-11 was the USA.  Bear that in mind when you accuse these countries of not paying their fair share.

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