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Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm
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"America should prioritize its sovereignty, security and general welfare over that of all other nations. We should put our needs and desires above that of our global neighbors. 'America First' isn't just a campaign promise or slogan; it should be our nation's basic premise."
  


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Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:45pm
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Jasmine wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
"America should prioritize its sovereignty, security and general welfare over that of all other nations. We should put our needs and desires above that of our global neighbors. 'America First' isn't just a campaign promise or slogan; it should be our nation's basic premise."

Nice not to have friends in the world.
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
I'll try but it might be beyond my ability. Insulting is "like 90% of what I do here."
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Jasmine wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
"America should prioritize its sovereignty, security and general welfare over that of all other nations. We should put our needs and desires above that of our global neighbors. 'America First' isn't just a campaign promise or slogan; it should be our nation's basic premise."


No. A great nation is more than just a self-interested actor. Canada, for instance, is a much better nation than Saudi Arabia because it does not start a bunch of proxy wars that bring suffering to its neighbors.

More to the point. Trump is in the process destroying a bunch of institutions that America has spent years creating. America did not create these institutions out of altruism. They serve America's strategic interests.

If you look carefully, you will see China is spending a lot of money trying to mimic these types of institutions, and it's not out of altruism.
  
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Jasmine wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
"America should prioritize its sovereignty, security and general welfare over that of all other nations. We should put our needs and desires above that of our global neighbors. 'America First' isn't just a campaign promise or slogan; it should be our nation's basic premise."


Basically OK, with the understanding that such goals can be furthered with alliances.
  
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Jasmine wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
"America should prioritize its sovereignty, security and general welfare over that of all other nations. We should put our needs and desires above that of our global neighbors. 'America First' isn't just a campaign promise or slogan; it should be our nation's basic premise."



I realize that you aren't much on history, but America First came and went in utter failure about 75 years ago.
But Hitler was a real fan.
  

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I've always heard that a mom needs to take care of herself in order to best take care of her family...I've also head that charity begins at home...
  
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:07pm:
I realize that you aren't much on history, but America First came and went in utter failure about 75 years ago.
But Hitler was a real fan.


Jasmine might be the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

They seem to think alike.
  

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Possibly Logical wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:59pm:
No. A great nation is more than just a self-interested actor. Canada, for instance, is a much better nation than Saudi Arabia because it does not start a bunch of proxy wars that bring suffering to its neighbors.

More to the point. Trump is in the process destroying a bunch of institutions that America has spent years creating. America did not create these institutions out of altruism. They serve America's strategic interests.

If you look carefully, you will see China is spending a lot of money trying to mimic these types of institutions, and it's not out of altruism.

The statement in the OP isn't suggesting that America shouldn't be altruistic. It is saying that it should put itself first (before all other countries). I think you can do both.
  


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Reply #8 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:21pm
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Possibly Logical wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:59pm:
No. A great nation is more than just a self-interested actor. Canada, for instance, is a much better nation than Saudi Arabia because it does not start a bunch of proxy wars that bring suffering to its neighbors.

More to the point. Trump is in the process destroying a bunch of institutions that America has spent years creating. America did not create these institutions out of altruism. They serve America's strategic interests.

If you look carefully, you will see China is spending a lot of money trying to mimic these types of institutions, and it's not out of altruism.




Exactly exactly exactly.


NATO has a primary goal, for the US, of bolstering America’s position by assuring liberal democracy.

The nightmare of 1940, that the US and Canada could become the only democracies on Earth (and thus inevitably succumb) is alive in some wise minds.


Keeping a prudent insurance against weakening in the democratic experiments of Eastern Europe is rock solid good sense for America.

Your financial preeminence and ridiculously large military assure this, and keep the preening, self congratulatory story you tell yourselves going.



Every American who whines about the German defence budget is an American who hasn’t thought it through.


That’s just NATO of course.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Reply #9 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:24pm
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Jasmine wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
The statement in the OP isn't suggesting that America shouldn't be altruistic. It is saying that it should put itself first (before all other countries). I think you can do both.



Certainly.


But myopic pricks with no sense of history can’t grasp that self interest isn’t the same as selfishness nor isolationism.

American isolationism in living memory was a terrible mistake.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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