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Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:27pm
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Debating teams follow formal rules and procedures.  While they are not followed in what people informally call debate, there is some useful inspiration from formal debate.

The debate starts with someone making a clear, understandable assertion.   In order to prove the assertion, he must support it with enough facts and arguments such that an intelligent person who does not a priori know the truth of the assertion concludes that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it.  The burden of proof is on the asserter.

A person who denies the assertion must provide facts and arguments in opposition to the assertion, in particular, those that refute or tend to refute the facts and arguments offered in support of the assertion.


Non-Debate

- A person who makes an unsupported assertion is offering an opinion - not debating.

- A person may leave a debate when any of the following happens:

His opponent effectively resigns, by lapsing into pure sarcasm or insults.

His opponent refuses to attempt to refute the assertion with facts and arguments of his own.

His opponent begins wandering into peripheral or unrelated issues.

His opponent simply doesn't understand the arguments of the asserter.

In any of those cases, the asserter is not "running from the debate", but merely concludes its futility and doesn't want to waste his time.



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Re: Debate
Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:28pm
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So why are you LNF cons so afraid to debate?
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:30pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:27pm:
Debating teams follow formal rules and procedures.  While they are not followed in what people informally call debate, there is some useful inspiration from formal debate.

The debate starts with someone making a clear, understandable assertion.   In order to prove the assertion, he must support it with enough facts and arguments such that an intelligent person who does not a priori know the truth of the assertion concludes that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it.  The burden of proof is on the asserter.

A person who denies the assertion must provide facts and arguments in opposition to the assertion, in particular, those that refute or tend to refute the assertion.


Non-Debate

- A person who makes an unsupported assertion is offering an opinion - not debating.

- A person may leave a debate when any of the following happens:

His opponent effectively resigns, by lapsing into pure sarcasm or insults.

His opponent refuses to attempt to refute the assertion with facts and arguments of his own.

His opponent begins wandering into peripheral or unrelated issues.

His opponent simply doesn't understand the arguments of the asserter.

In any of those cases, the asserter is not "running from the debate", but merely concludes its futility and doesn't want to waste his time.






exactly what you do all the time
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:38pm
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Physician, heal thyself!
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 11:22pm
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
So why are you LNF cons so afraid to debate?


How can you debate with a person that doesn’t know what he is talking about?
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Re: Debate
Reply #5 - Jul 13th, 2018 at 2:32am
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patrick2 wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:27pm:
Debating teams follow formal rules and procedures.  While they are not followed in what people informally call debate, there is some useful inspiration from formal debate.

The debate starts with someone making a clear, understandable assertion.   In order to prove the assertion, he must support it with enough facts and arguments such that an intelligent person who does not a priori know the truth of the assertion concludes that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it.  The burden of proof is on the asserter.

A person who denies the assertion must provide facts and arguments in opposition to the assertion, information  particular, those that refute or tend to refute the facts and arguments offered in support of the assertion.


Non-Debate

- A person who makes an unsupported assertion is offering an opinion - not debating.

- A person may leave a debate when any of the following happens:

His opponent effectively resigns, by lapsing into pure sarcasm or insults.

His opponent refuses to attempt to refute the assertion with facts and arguments of his own.

His opponent begins wandering into peripheral or unrelated issues.

His opponent simply doesn't understand the arguments of the asserter.

In any of those cases, the asserter is not "running from the debate", but merely concludes its futility and doesn't want to waste his time.




- do you want to run a debate? - you set the rules - run it - moderate it - call it something like LNF debate challenge or club
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 13th, 2018 at 2:35am
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admin wrote on Jul 13th, 2018 at 2:32am:
- do you want to run a debate? - you set the rules - run it - moderate it - call it something like LNF debate challenge or club


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Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 8:08am
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admin wrote on Jul 13th, 2018 at 2:32am:
- do you want to run a debate? - you set the rules - run it - moderate it - call it something like LNF debate challenge or club


Patti?

Really?


While you are at it, how about stu running a diversity section.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 8:14am
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admin wrote on Jul 13th, 2018 at 2:32am:
- do you want to run a debate? - you set the rules - run it - moderate it - call it something like LNF debate challenge or club



When it comes right down to it admin, Patrick's debate ambitions is like asking a Boy scout Father to lead the scouts after he complains about everything in scouting Grin

So in other words , when it comes right down to it, he's all talk Grin
  

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