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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #30 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:23am
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Of course it was written by man, has anyone denied this?  The Bible was written by man and inspired by God, as scripture says.  Regarding the history of Jesus, how much do you know of the writings outside of the Bible?
https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/


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Of course it was written by man




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has anyone denied this? 


That doesn't matter, It was still written by man Wink

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The Bible was written by man and inspired by God, as scripture says.


As per written by man Wink
  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #31 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:29am
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EF wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
Translation: "beats the heck out of me."


Perhaps when translated into moronese... then again, most things get that translation in that idiom.


You should know.
  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #32 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:31am
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EF wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Maybe not as a MEMBER.  But as an ATTENDEE I feel you would be accepted. 

But there are advantages to not having your name on the congregational roll....


There are more advantages to not giving a damn about this rigmarole... saves lots of time!
  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #33 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:06am
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Luther wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:23am:
Yep Smiley




That doesn't matter, It was still written by man Wink


As per written by man Wink

And scripture, inspired by the Holy Spirit, confirms itself through fulfilled prophecies throughout the Bible.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #34 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:24pm
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EF wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:50pm:
Regular atheists are content in their atheism and pretty much leave "religious" people alone unless one of them tries to cram some religious dogma down their throat.  They would (rightly, IMO) object to government sponsored or sanctioned prayer in certain circumstances, one of which would be where attendance was mandatory at the event at which the prayer was offered.


I object to all state-sponsored religious observances or requirements.  However, there are plenty of cases it's not worth fighting over.  I don't think the state should put up Christmas trees or menorahs, but I wouldn't waste time or energy fighting it.
  

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Reply #35 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:39pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
I object to all state-sponsored religious observances or requirements.  However, there are plenty of cases it's not worth fighting over.  I don't think the state should put up Christmas trees or menorahs, but I wouldn't waste time or energy fighting it.


Well, Christmas trees descended from pagan fertility symbols and most of the "traditions" of Christmas are also of pagan origin. 

I remember reading, pre-internet, of a case where a judge ruled that a nativity scene was nothing more than a holiday decoration, analogous to a pumpkin at Halloween.  It had as much religious significance as a Christmas tree or a candy cane or a Valentine or a Thanksgiving turkey.  And sadly, that's true for the most part.

  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #36 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:52pm
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EF wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Well, Christmas trees descended from pagan fertility symbols and most of the "traditions" of Christmas are also of pagan origin.


Sure, there aren't any modern major religions that leaped from the forehead of Zeus fully-formed.  Practically all of them have adopted practices & beliefs from other religions or philosophies.  Christianity is no different, adopting the pagan Yule celebrations and adapting them to the celebration of Jesus's birth.

That's not a criticism of Christianity, either: syncretic practices, beliefs, customs, languages, cuisines, and on and on are very common, and there's nothing wrong it.  The humble ground beef taco is a syncretic mix of Mexican elements (corn, tomatoes, hot pepper sauce) and Old World (beef, cheese, lettuce).

To put too fine a point on it, the state shouldn't support pagan religions, either.

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I remember reading, pre-internet, of a case where a judge ruled that a nativity scene was nothing more than a holiday decoration, analogous to a pumpkin at Halloween.  It had as much religious significance as a Christmas tree or a candy cane or a Valentine or a Thanksgiving turkey.  And sadly, that's true for the most part.


I don't think I've read the case, but I'd strongly disagree.  The Christmas tree is a much less religiously-charged symbol than the Nativity.  I don't complain about the town Christmas tree - like who the hell has the energy for that? - but I would complain if the borough put up a Nativity scene, for sure.
  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #37 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:25am
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:06am:
And scripture, inspired by the Holy Spirit, confirms itself through fulfilled prophecies throughout the Bible. 


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Yes, written by men

You won't win this one Wink
  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #38 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 1:18pm
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Luther wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:25am:
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Yes, written by men

You won't win this one Wink


He never does. He keeps trying though.
  

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Re: On Religion, what Do You believe?
Reply #39 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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EF wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Maybe not as a MEMBER.  But as an ATTENDEE I feel you would be accepted. 

But there are advantages to not having your name on the congregational roll.  Having one's name on the membership roll of any congregation is not necessary to having a relationship with God.  Having one's name in the "Lamb's Book of Life" is, but being a member of a congregation won't get one's name in that book.  Also, if you're not a member, you won't likely be asked to serve on any committees.

Now, if you're an evangelical atheist you might not even be welcome as an attendee.  But I imagine regular atheists would be welcome.  They'd even be welcome at MY fairly conservative congregation.  Free to come, free to go, free to do as they please as long as they don't (metaphorically speaking) "throw bombs" at the believers. 

Their questions would be welcome.  Their discussions would be enjoyed.  But if it got to where one of them said something like "you guys are idiots to believe in that fairy tale," they would probably be encouraged to leave and not come back.

So I would encourage you to keep attending the CofE.  As a wise man once said, the CofE, despite its flaws (and every organization of people  has them), has done some good things.   They're not forcing anything down your throat, after all.  And if you get where you just can't take it any more, you can quit then.  Meanwhile, what does it hurt?


Well I AM an attendee. And we don’t have rolls.

You just kinda kneel there, and just kinda do it.


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Which is a shame. Either he’s going to snare me, or me him.


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