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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:51am
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Jasmine wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:48am:
True or False: If Russia had not interfered in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton would have beaten Donald Trump.

Here are the libbies I would like to see respond:

[   ] Greg
[   ] Vyper
[   ] Fiddler
[   ] Wadsworth
[ T ] Bowhunter
[   ] BillyP
[   ] MojoJojo
[   ] Queshank
[   ] Philip
[   ] BamaBeau
[   ] Luther

Everyone else is free to chime in, of course.  Smiley


How could anyone know?

There were several things that cost her the win. Many were simply her fault - some were not.

The crazies who were radicalised by the Russians through pizzagate type bullshit were already dumbasses long before the Russians interfered. Yet all, but one, would be difficult to prove any actual change in actual voters.
But Russian efforts did increase divisions and ramp up partisan attacks both ways.

what threw election to trump was comey's announcement on top of all the fake

an announcement that was set up by the divisiveness partly caused by the Russians.

The FBI had the wiener emails and chickenshit comey was hearing that they were about to be leaked by the Hillary haters at the NY fbi office, so

Rather than examine the emails, he dumped the biggest ever October suprise into republican's laps 12 or 14 days before the election.

After a few days of festering, comey was pushed to examine the emails. The emails were searched and nothing was found - the examination only took 2 days.

Had the emails been checked when they were found and nothing new found, we wouldn't have the sack of shit trump as president.

Polls aren't perfect, but they are close. All polls showed a negative impact on Clinton due to the letter.

Back to the Russians, nothing that can be proved down to an actual vote, but we spend money on political ads for a reason and the Russians spent a lot of money on the nra, Facebook and others.







  

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am
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There has been speculation that Mueller is finding and securing evidence that Trump's minions coordinated with Russian social-media-hackers to target specific voting districts in specific battleground states.  Given the timing, given the extreme closeness of the race, and given the surgical precision of the russian efforts, it seems likely that the Russians threw the election to Hils.

Having said that, I will add that Hillary should have done much better.  She saw what Trump did to all the other republican candidates.  She had access to the best electioneering data and techniques.  She could have launched her own surgical media-hacking campaigns.  She could have been open and transparent about the email server.  And most importantly, she could have openly adopted 2-3 of the biggest planks of Bernie's platform in order to excite the bernie bros.

And it's arguable that Comey's media shenanigans knocked a sizable block of voters out from under her at exactly the worst time.
  

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am
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I don't know and neither do you
  

Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 1:53pm:
The average person is going to starve and die.

Thus has it always been with humanity, before the advent of the Great Society.

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:57am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
There has been speculation that Mueller is finding and securing evidence that Trump's minions coordinated with Russian social-media-hackers to target specific voting districts in specific battleground states.  Given the timing, given the extreme closeness of the race, and given the surgical precision of the russian efforts, it seems likely that the Russians threw the election to Hils.

Having said that, I will add that Hillary should have done much better.  She saw what Trump did to all the other republican candidates.  She had access to the best electioneering data and techniques.  She could have launched her own surgical media-hacking campaigns.  She could have been open and transparent about the email server.  And most importantly, she could have openly adopted 2-3 of the biggest planks of Bernie's platform in order to excite the bernie bros.

And it's arguable that Comey's media shenanigans knocked a sizable block of voters out from under her at exactly the worst time.


What kind of supreme ignorance did it take to not advertise on fox?

Here was an audience who get only echo chamber news and she threw away any chance to speak to them.
  

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:58am
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Anybody who really believes the Russians helped swing the election to Trump is crazy Smiley, if they really believe that crap!  Grin

Hillary could not get the democrat party nomination away from the big-eared embellished fraud named, Barry Soetoro (legal name)/ Barack Obama (aka)

If Hillary was all that well LOVED, .. she SHOULD have DEFEATED OBAMA in 2008 for the democrat party nomination and then beat Trump, but, Hillary LOST on BOTH counts.  Smiley Smiley

In truth, .. Hillary was NEVER all that well loved because, she lies endlessly and is corrupt and MOST Americans KNOW it.   Grin   Cool
  

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #15 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:35pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
There has been speculation that Mueller is finding and securing evidence that Trump's minions coordinated with Russian social-media-hackers to target specific voting districts in specific battleground states.  Given the timing, given the extreme closeness of the race, and given the surgical precision of the russian efforts, it seems likely that the Russians threw the election to Hils.

Having said that, I will add that Hillary should have done much better.  She saw what Trump did to all the other republican candidates.  She had access to the best electioneering data and techniques.  She could have launched her own surgical media-hacking campaigns.  She could have been open and transparent about the email server.  And most importantly, she could have openly adopted 2-3 of the biggest planks of Bernie's platform in order to excite the bernie bros.

And it's arguable that Comey's media shenanigans knocked a sizable block of voters out from under her at exactly the worst time.


Excellent analysis.

Too bad the LNFRW will ignore it.
  

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #16 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:07pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:51am:
How could anyone know?

There were several things that cost her the win. Many were simply her fault - some were not.

The crazies who were radicalised by the Russians through pizzagate type bullshit were already dumbasses long before the Russians interfered. Yet all, but one, would be difficult to prove any actual change in actual voters.
But Russian efforts did increase divisions and ramp up partisan attacks both ways.

what threw election to trump was comey's announcement on top of all the fake

an announcement that was set up by the divisiveness partly caused by the Russians.

The FBI had the wiener emails and chickenshit comey was hearing that they were about to be leaked by the Hillary haters at the NY fbi office, so

Rather than examine the emails, he dumped the biggest ever October suprise into republican's laps 12 or 14 days before the election.

After a few days of festering, comey was pushed to examine the emails. The emails were searched and nothing was found - the examination only took 2 days.

Had the emails been checked when they were found and nothing new found, we wouldn't have the sack of shit trump as president.

Polls aren't perfect, but they are close. All polls showed a negative impact on Clinton due to the letter.

Back to the Russians, nothing that can be proved down to an actual vote, but we spend money on political ads for a reason and the Russians spent a lot of money on the nra, Facebook and others.


So what is your final answer, BillyP? T or F?
  


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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:07pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:53am:
I don't know and neither do you

Take your best shot, though. T or F?
  


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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
Reply #18 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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Jasmine wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:07pm:
Take your best shot, though. T or F?


Why can't you take "I don't know" for an answer?

  

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Re: Question for liberals: the 2016 election
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