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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:03am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:49am:
Wow!  Think of all of the money we could save!  If fact, this would help pay for the welfare we're going to give farmers to offset the cost of Trumps tariffs!  One hand washes the other!

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So if given a choice between subsidizing American farmers or subsidizing immigrant's welfare, you would choose the immigrants? The farmers actually have a product that they create. What do immigrants who go directly to the welfare office create?
  
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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:05am
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:55am:
Hmm, one group of people are citizens paying into the coffers of the Federal government and those here illegally pay nothing into to the federal government.  Personally I have no issue with getting rid of subsidies but again, American citizens are paying the taxes and then in turn we are giving those who are here illegally services they are not paying for.


Re-reading your posts I think I see the error...

The OP is about the Trump administration going after LEGAL immigrants.

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As Breitbart News reported, the Trump administration is set to roll out a plan in the next month that bars foreign nationals who need government welfare in order to live from resettling in the U.S. Such a ban on welfare importation through immigration has been eyed by the Trump White House since February.


Yet your responses are all about ILLEGAL immigrants.

That's why I was pointing out the escalation in my first post. Smiley




late edit: check out Trevor Noah's take(down)...


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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:58am
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Czarcasm wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:03am:
So if given a choice between subsidizing American farmers or subsidizing immigrant's welfare, you would choose the immigrants? The farmers actually have a product that they create. What do immigrants who go directly to the welfare office create?


Well, if farmer's were creating something (food) then they wouldn't need welfare, now would they?

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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:44am
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Czarcasm wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:03am:
So if given a choice between subsidizing American farmers or subsidizing immigrant's welfare, you would choose the immigrants? The farmers actually have a product that they create. What do immigrants who go directly to the welfare office create?


Given a binary choice between those who grow our food and anyone else, we're all gonna pick the growers. Good thing our society isn't restricted to binary choices.

This is just one more anti-poor, Republican policy.

The rich are good, wholesome people who earned their money by being honest entrepreneurs while the lazy poor lounge around getting high awaiting their tax based entitlement cheque. The irony of course being the base's demographics.
  

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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 11:21am
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This is from Trump's alma mater, Wharton. His former professors have said Trump didn't really listen to what they had to say, as he gave every indication that he knew it all already. Apparently that's one of the causes of his misguided presidential policies, such as on immigration.

http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration...


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Fiscal Impact

Immigrants in general — whether documented or undocumented — are net positive contributors to the federal budget. However, the fiscal impact varies widely at the state and local levels and is contingent on the characteristics of the immigrant population — age, education, and skill level — living within each state.

Figure 3 shows that immigrants, and especially recent arrivals, are generally of working age; thus, they impose relatively small costs on Social Security and Medicare — the largest components of federal non-defense spending. While immigrants’ taxes help pay for defense spending, they do not generate any additional significant costs for the military, thereby somewhat reducing the federal tax burden of the average native.

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Conclusion

Economists generally agree that the effects of immigration on the U.S. economy are broadly positive.

Immigrants, whether high- or low-skilled, legal or illegal, are unlikely to replace native-born workers or reduce their wages over the long-term, though they may cause some short-term dislocations in labor markets. Indeed, the experience of the last few decades suggests that immigration may actually have significant long-term benefits for the native-born, pushing them into higher-paying occupations and raising the overall pace of innovation and productivity growth. Moreover, as baby boomers have begun moving into retirement in advanced economies around the world, immigration is helping to keep America comparatively young and reducing the burden of financing retirement benefits for a growing elderly population. While natives bear some upfront costs for the provision of public services to immigrants and their families, the evidence suggests a net positive return on the investment over the long term.

  

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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #15 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Given a binary choice between those who grow our food and anyone else, we're all gonna pick the growers. Good thing our society isn't restricted to binary choices.

This is just one more anti-poor, Republican policy.

The rich are good, wholesome people who earned their money by being honest entrepreneurs while the lazy poor lounge around getting high awaiting their tax based entitlement cheque. The irony of course being the base's demographics.   



My response was made to a binary choice proffered by this comment. Welfare to farmers or welfare to migrants (thread title). Hence my response.

Greg55_99 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:49am:
Wow!  Think of all of the money we could save!  If fact, this would help pay for the welfare we're going to give farmers to offset the cost of Trumps tariffs!  One hand washes the other!

Greg


You call it "waiting around to get their tax based entitlement check" but that leads to the discussion of whether they should have jobs before emigrating. Are we supposed to just say come here to all and don't worry we will take care of you?
  
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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
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Greg55_99 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:58am:
Well, if farmer's were creating something (food) then they wouldn't need welfare, now would they?

Greg


Not quite that simple but I suspect you know that. If immigrants had a guaranteed job before they got here then they wouldn't need welfare, would they?
  
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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 3:05pm
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Czarcasm wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Not quite that simple but I suspect you know that. If immigrants had a guaranteed job before they got here then they wouldn't need welfare, would they?


But then, why would land owners (farmers) need welfare? 

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Re: Trump’s Welfare Ban for Immigrants Would Be $57.4B Tax Cut for Americans
Reply #18 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:25am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
But then, why would land owners (farmers) need welfare? 

Greg



Good points Greg

We also know that Farmers abuse the system and pubs are also responsible for enabling it Wink
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Reply #19 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 7:13am
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Why can't Stu defend his own threads? Huh

  

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