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So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:25am
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Not by the looks from the so called conservatives on this board? Huh

They're warming up for the NFL weekly picks Shocked Roll Eyes

Me thinks it went the way of the Brontosaurus Shocked Huh

What say you?

  

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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:30am
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I say that the conservatives taught Keurig, Best Buy and the NFL a lesson.

  

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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:13pm
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I quit watching the NFL long before the "taking a knee" bs.

I like a balanced game not all offense.  The rule changes started favoring the offence  to make the game "more exciting" and I lost interest. 

Also was the free agency rules which really screwed up any semblance of loyalty to a team. You never know from season to season if your favorite player will be on your favorite team.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:15pm
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Conservatives who support the NFL are arch hypocrites.
  

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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #4 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:02pm
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Ulysses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:15pm:
Conservatives who support the NFL are arch hypocrites.


Why?

Not everyone chooses to boycott something they enjoy because they disapprove of some aspect of it.

Conservative can disagree with the kneeling while enjoying the game.

I rarely, if ever, politically boycott any product or service. That is, I can't think of anything that I don't spend money or time on and that I would encourage others not to spend money or time on because of the political opinions and actions of the people involved.

If I did, I'd never read a book, play a game or watch a movie made by people I disagree with.

Sounds pretty close-minded to me.
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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #5 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:07pm
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Ulysses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 2:15pm:
Conservatives who support the NFL are arch hypocrites.

Nonsense. People can enjoy a product or service without agreeing with the political stance of every employee of the company that creates the product or service.

Absolutely baseless nonsense.

Also, do you think the owners of the NFL franchises aren't made up of people who are at least moderately conservative? The head coaches? The GMs?

By your standard, nobody could enjoy the NFL without being an "arch hypocrite".
  

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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #6 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:20pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
Nonsense. People can enjoy a product or service without agreeing with the political stance of every employee of the company that creates the product or service.

Absolutely baseless nonsense.

Also, do you think the owners of the NFL franchises aren't made up of people who are at least moderately conservative? The head coaches? The GMs?

By your standard, nobody could enjoy the NFL without being an "arch hypocrite".


Two reasons why conservatives supporting the NFL are hypocritical:

1) Aforementioned conservative boycott announced in reaction to some players "taking the knee" during the anthem.

2) The NFL's history as a congressional approved socialist creation, as detailed here:


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The NFL: America’s socialist utopia

The Super Bowl might be a capitalist bonanza — but its creation was the ultimate socialist act.

Conservatives within the game have proudly argued that football tutors spectators in these capitalist virtues. Quarterback-turned-congressman Jack Kemp celebrated football as “democratic capitalism” in action; Fran Tarkenton, who incorporated himself as a business and published three books by age 30, called the game “part of our free enterprise system.”

But this has never been true. As former Cleveland Browns owner Art Modell once remarked, the NFL is run by “a bunch of fat-cat Republicans who vote socialist on football.” According to Harvard Business School’s Rosabeth Moss Kanter, few industry associations have more effectively wielded the power of collective advantage. In fact, it was not competition, but rather the NFL’s historic ability to scheme its way around competition — with encouragement from the government and fans — that enabled the creation of the Super Bowl.

In spring 1966, Tex Schramm, general manager of the NFL’s Cowboys, and Lamar Hunt, owner of the American Football League’s Chiefs, agreed that the free market was killing professional football. The best college players could pit the two leagues against one another, sparking competition for talent that produced skyrocketing salaries, most notoriously Joe Namath’s then-record $427,000 contract with the Jets. Veteran players could increase their pay by jumping leagues or by merely threatening to do so.

A merger, Hunt and Schramm decided, would save the owners from themselves by depriving players of leverage: With only one league, there could be no more deals like Namath’s because players would have to abide by the results of the draft instead of weighing a competing offer from the other league. And without the merger, “weak teams like Denver and Boston as well, perhaps, as Kansas City, Pittsburgh and Miami could not long survive a protracted money war,” an NFL spokesman admitted.

In June, Hunt, Schramm and NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle publicly revealed their plan to fold the AFL into the NFL, pay indemnities to the Giants and 49ers (who faced local competition from the Jets and Raiders) and play a championship game. Unfortunately, this plan had a problem: The proposed merger clearly violated the Sherman Antitrust Act.

But within three months, a bill greenlighting the plan made its way through the U.S. Senate. The swift passage of this legislation exposed how eagerly members of the Senate, hoping to lure professional football to their states, did the NFL’s bidding. According to President Lyndon B. Johnson’s special assistant for legislative relations, Lawrence O’Brien, public interest, “fanned by media,” created overwhelming legislative force.

It was the latest in federally sanctioned legal tweaks that, according to one economist, boosted professional football by standing “in stark contrast to American capitalism.” These included the draft of college players after 1935, which denied them the right to choose their employers; a ban on televising home games in 1953, which prevented TV stations from presenting the programs their audiences most desired; and leaguewide TV contracts in 1961, which treated the league as a single entity rather than as competing businesses. At the prompting of President John F. Kennedy, Congress hurriedly legitimized these contracts to ensure professional football’s survival, as long as “such agreement increases rather than decreases the number of professional football clubs so operating.”

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Rozelle, the football commissioner, tried the usual arguments on Celler, testifying that “substantially the same basis of economic opportunity” would exist, and a common draft would foster parity among teams and slow runaway salaries. He produced more than four single-spaced pages of supportive statements from newspapers and players, most of them veterans arguing that the huge bonuses to rookies produced by interleague competition damaged team morale. With the leagues merged, rookies would lose their bargaining power and these bonuses would drop. The NFL’s legal counsel added that antitrust law protected consumers and, “in this instance, the ultimate consumer [interest] favors this transaction.”


The NFL: America’s socialist utopia

  

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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #7 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:32pm
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Ulysses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
Two reasons why conservatives supporting the NFL are hypocritical:

1) Aforementioned conservative boycott announced in reaction to some players "taking the knee" during the anthem.

2) The NFL's history as a congressional approved socialist creation, as detailed here:



The NFL: America’s socialist utopia



I tried to start this conversation a year or two ago in the sports section. Jasmin was the only participant and she only wanted to blabber something about title 9 when I suggested that the nlf, like college, should be open to any team willing to play by NFL rules. You know - free markets and all that, as opposed to a socialized country club for the super rich.


  

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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #8 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:37pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:32pm:
I tried to start this conversation a year or two ago in the sports section. Jasmin was the only participant and she only wanted to blabber something about title 9 when I suggested that the nlf, like college, should be open to any team willing to play by NFL rules. You know - free markets and all that, as opposed to a socialized country club for the super rich.


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Re: So Is There Still A Conservative NFL Boycott?
Reply #9 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:37pm
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Ulysses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
Two reasons why conservatives supporting the NFL are hypocritical:

1) Aforementioned conservative boycott announced in reaction to some players "taking the knee" during the anthem.

Did all "conservatives" boycott the NFL? Are they, as a group, a monolith?

Are progressives all hypocrites for living in the US despite the fact that many said that they would move if Trump got elected?

Absurd nonsense.

Ulysses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
2) The NFL's history as a congressional approved socialist creation, as detailed here:

Every business enjoys benefit (and most enjoy pain as well) from the government. Trademarking, copyrights, patents, corporate status, etc.

The government is so large that it encroaches on every aspect of our lives.

So simply doing anything would therefore be "hypocritical", I suppose. That's a nice little narrative you can play in your head to demonize and belittle the other side. Which I guess is good for your mindset in the short term, but I warn that it cripples your growth into a more open-minded human being.
  

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