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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #40 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:30pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 11:31am:
I would never waste my time looking for such a thing, but your question implies two points.

1. That you believe everything the bible says.
2. That you do not believe that the Church, the group you claimed in a previous post was the creator of science, which you argued was the will of G-d, saw the Earth as the center of the universe.

If you are coming from this place, then nothing a scientist could say will change your views, because they are based on a choice you made, instead of on empirical evidence. That's fine, because I am assuming your belief (though sadly, not Faith, because you think you have proof of your belief) gives you comfort, but it is a false equivalency to compare your belief to actual science.

So when you say you 'don't believe' in evolution, you are assuming that the same choice you made in believing in G-d is the choice scientists made in 'believing' in evolution. This is massively not what is going on in the science community.


FEZZILLA wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 12:26am:

Please show me the verse or passage in the Bible that explicitly says the earth is the center of the universe.


  

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #41 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:39pm
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FEZZILLA wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:30pm:


Let me flip this around and ask you a question.

Why do you need to justify your own belief with proof based on passages from the Bible? In other words, why not just believe in G-d, and be done with it. It seems like you are wasting a tremendous amount of energy and effort on something that is unnecessary.

I have rock solid Faith, but I also have no issues with any of the most accepted scientific laws/theories/principals.

Why do you?
  
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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #42 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:39pm
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EF wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
There is no verse that explicitly says the earth is the center of the universe, just as there is no verse that explicitly says the earth is either 6,000 or 10,000 years old, depending on which genealogy one uses to date the moment of creation. 


Where is the millions and billions of years genealogy?


EF wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
But there are verses from which it is logical to infer those things.  Having inferred those things, it is logical to continue believing them until sufficient, credible evidence to the contrary comes along.


Never seen any of those verses but would like to see if any such verses or passages exist?

EF wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
According to Genesis, God made earth first.  Then the stars, the other planets, the sun, the moon, etc.  It is quite logical to infer that, having been made first, the earth was the center of the creation.  And it is true that people who later asserted that was not so were deemed heretics until it became impossible to believe the earth was the center of anything, let alone the universe.


There us much assumed here. The first assumption is how people assume God needed the sun to create the earth. God is Eternal Life and Light. Jesus said He is the light of the world. God was the light during the first 4 days of creation. He made the sun so life on earth could be sustained without His direct presence. It says nothing about God placing the earth in the center of the universe.

EF wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
It is also logical to infer from verses that refer to the “ends of the earth” and the “corners of the earth” that the earth is either flat or a cube.  Globes and circles do not have ends or corners.  And many people did believe that until sufficient, credible evidence to the contrary came along.  Amazingly, some still do.  Most flat earth societies are not serious, they’re just “drinking and marching societies,” but some really are serious.


You simply do not know how to understand ancient terminology. The dogmatic meaning of those phrases mean the far reaches of the earth in all four directions. The Bible teaches globe earth, exclusively.
  

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #43 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:41pm
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FEZZILLA wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:39pm:
Where is the millions and billions of years genealogy?




Never seen any of those verses but would like to see if any such verses or passages exist?



There us much assumed here. The first assumption is how people assume God needed the sun to create the earth. God is Eternal Life and Light. Jesus said He is the light of the world. God was the light during the first 4 days of creation. He made the sun so life on earth could be sustained without His direct presence. It says nothing about God placing the earth in the center of the universe.


You simply do not know how to understand ancient terminology. The dogmatic meaning of those phrases mean the far reaches of the earth in all four directions. The Bible teaches globe earth, exclusively.



I figured I was probably wasting my time as far as you were concerned, but you weren't the only audience I was addressing.
  

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #44 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:53pm
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EF wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
I figured I was probably wasting my time as far as you were concerned, but you weren't the only audience I was addressing.


I hope you're not counting me in because I read very little of what you write.
  

Queshank wrote on Oct 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
FC,

I've been thinking about how I can respond conversationally without coming across as a total dick.

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #45 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:03pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
I hope you're not counting me in because I read very little of what you write.



Well, you read THAT.
  

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #46 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:28pm
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EF wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Well, you read THAT.



That's why I said "little" and not "none", genius.
  

Queshank wrote on Oct 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
FC,

I've been thinking about how I can respond conversationally without coming across as a total dick.

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #47 - Sep 8th, 2018 at 12:19pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 4:39pm:
Let me flip this around and ask you a question.

Why do you need to justify your own belief with proof based on passages from the Bible? In other words, why not just believe in G-d, and be done with it. It seems like you are wasting a tremendous amount of energy and effort on something that is unnecessary.

I have rock solid Faith, but I also have no issues with any of the most accepted scientific laws/theories/principals.

Why do you?


I have no problem accepting both the Bible and science. I'm complete at peace with that. But evolution is not science. There are prophecies in the Bible about evolution theory and none of them are good prophecies if you're an evolution fan.
  

"Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Cor. 3:17).
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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #48 - Sep 8th, 2018 at 12:33pm
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FEZZILLA wrote on Sep 8th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
I have no problem accepting both the Bible and science. I'm complete at peace with that. But evolution is not science. There are prophecies in the Bible about evolution theory and none of them are good prophecies if you're an evolution fan.



Ok so you think, what, there’s no such thing as evolution?


Help us out here. When did life start? What are Neanderthals?

If it’s not mentioned in the Bible, can it exist? 
  

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Re: Will NASA Find Life On Mars?
Reply #49 - Sep 8th, 2018 at 1:38pm
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Limey. wrote on Sep 8th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Ok so you think, what, there’s no such thing as evolution?


Help us out here. When did life start? What are Neanderthals?

If it’s not mentioned in the Bible, can it exist? 


Temptation...
  

Queshank wrote on Oct 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
FC,

I've been thinking about how I can respond conversationally without coming across as a total dick.

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