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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #10 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:50pm
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Ulysses wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:42pm:
Not to mention Bush's inaction in '92 left the opposition to Saddam hang out to dry.



Not just Bush.


Our own Mr. Major (successor to Margaret Thatcher; a man described as “a suit full of fuck all”) did the British PM thing.

That is, limply do as the President says regardless of morality, national interest or common sense.


Apart from Wilson and Eden all PMs since 1940 have done this.
  

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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 4:59pm
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Limey. wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:13pm:
Actually we missed our chance (or rather the Iraqis who fancied life in a civilised country missed theirs) in 1991.


Regime change then would likely have worked, been welcome, and changed the subsequent tragedy in to a good news story.


Oh well; never mind.


I dunno Limey.

The one time we didn't take possession of Iraq is the one time that nation building would have worked? It's not outside the realm of possible, but I'm not as optimistic as you and assume the same scenario would have played out. Although Bush Sr. probably wouldn't have agreed to disbanding the Republican Guard and Baath party, which ensured the failure of the state.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. :/
  

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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:06pm
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Hey, this is an interesting news item.      Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:07pm
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If you're not interested, then move along and start another one of your banal threads.
  
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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #14 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:10pm
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Hey, here's one for you:  There was an auto accident in Costa Mesa today.  Authorities put the total damage at $500.   Smiley


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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #15 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:14pm
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Then start a thread about it. But given how much we've put into creating a stable Iraqi state, as well as the White House's recent statement about Iranian interference and Iranian proxies attacking the U.S. consulate, it probably rates more of a thread than your fender bender in Costa Mesa.

Appreciate the bumps for this one though.
  
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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #16 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:24pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
Then start a thread about it. But given how much we've put into creating a stable Iraqi state, as well as the White House's recent statement about Iranian interference and Iranian proxies attacking the U.S. consulate, it probably rates more of a thread than your fender bender in Costa Mesa.

Appreciate the bumps for this one though.


Yaaaaa - by now that place should be sort of like, uh, Norway.  Smiley  All stable and everything.  Grin
  
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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #17 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:31pm
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Nice strawman.

Here are a couple more articles that should interest those who take an interest in the Middle East or foreign policy more broadly.

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...The U.S. strongly supports a second term for al-Abadi but that appears exceedingly unlikely now; his support was weakening even before the Basra protests and may continue to suffer in their aftermath. The governor of Basra Province, Asaad al-Aidani, is a contender to replace al-Abadi, who remains prime minister four months after the May elections left the country in even more of a political upheaval; the various blocs are still maneuvering and shifting their alliances, seemingly by the week, to gain enough support to claim power...

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...With a bloc of 50 seats in Iraq’s newly elected parliament (and some additional seats from Sunni allies), the Kurds are in a position to decide who will be Iraq’s next prime minister. This is because the country’s May 12 parliamentary elections ended in a stalemate between two Shiite-dominated blocs: one jointly led by Abadi and the firebrand cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, and the other led by former Prime Minister Maliki and Hadi al-Amiri, the head of a Shiite militia. Both Maliki and Amiri have close ties to Tehran; Amiri even fought on Iran’s side during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s. While the Sadr-Abadi bloc isn’t exactly anti-Iran—Sadr spent four years in exile there between 2007 and 2011, and Abadi is a member of the Iran-backed Dawa Party—they are not nearly as close to Tehran as are Amiri and Maliki. The Trump administration rightly fears that if the latter two form the next government, it will greatly increase Iran’s influence in Iraq—a huge setback for a policy intended to accomplish the opposite...

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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #18 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:37pm
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They got POLITICS in that place???  Who'da thunk it!!   Shocked
  
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Re: Iraq: Protests in Basra
Reply #19 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:41pm
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Yes, patrick, they do. And this is a political news and discussion forum. Shocking, I know, that political news would be posted here for discussion.
  
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