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Re: Isaiah 53 The Forbiden Chapter.
Reply #30 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:58am
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Running Deer wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
Right.  And when the writers of the Gospels wanted to embellish Jesus's credentials - i.e., lie - they knew the Jewish Bible well enough to invent prophecy-fulfilling stories.

To wit, Jesus was from Nazareth in the north of Judea.  Trying to bolster his messianic credentials, they went back to the Jewish Bible and found something that looked like a prophecy that the Messiah would come from Bethlehem.

Unfortunately, the Bethlehem stories told by Sts. Matthew and Luke are completely different and set in different decades.  Worse yet, reading the context of the Bethlehem prophecy in Micah 5, the Messiah was supposed to do something about Assyria, but the Assyrian Empire had already been dead for hundreds of years when Jesus was born.

This is a prophesy of a future event.  Often these prophets see the nations and then assign current nations of their era as rising up or playing some significant event as laid out by God.  The area of Assyria which is Centered on the Tigris in Upper Mesopotamia (modern northern Iraq, northeastern Syria, southeastern Turkey and the northwestern fringes of Iran), the Assyrians came to rule powerful empires at several times.

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Re: Isaiah 53 The Forbiden Chapter.
Reply #31 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 1:51pm
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Just about every Book in the Old Testament has Messianic prophecies. It was only in the 2nd century A.D. when Jewish leaders changed how those prophecies were to be interpreted due to so many Jews converting to Christianity. Isaiah 53 is just one of many chapters that prophecy about Jesus. A Christian doesn't have to dig hard to find those prophecies. The atheist doesn't try to understand anything so they never understand the Jewish-Christian debate over messianic prophecies. The clear interpretation goes to the Christians, hands down. The Jews had corrupted their own beliefs in the 2nd century and were cursed by God for doing so. The curse of God was finally lifted in 1948, which fulfills a series of prophecies which overlapped one another regarding the Jews (Deut.28:15-68; 30:1-10 just to quote two references). The Deut.28 passage began in A.D.70 before it completely ended in 1948. This curse was prophesied before the Jews even entered the promised land.

"Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Cor. 3:17).
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