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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #70 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 10:28am
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Limey. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2018 at 10:07am:
You really do type some outrageous nonsense.

Are you a fan of Israel?  As I seem to recall you think they are occupiers.  So not so outrageous comments by Fez.
  


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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #71 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 1:24pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 22nd, 2018 at 10:28am:
Are you a fan of Israel?  As I seem to recall you think they are occupiers.  So not so outrageous comments by Fez.


Ironic nickname, given that Fez is an important city of Morocco, a Muslim country...
  

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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #72 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 6:02am
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 22nd, 2018 at 10:28am:
Are you a fan of Israel?  As I seem to recall you think they are occupiers.  So not so outrageous comments by Fez.



This is what Fez said:

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Most liberals desire another Holocaust. So unless you voted for Trump in the last election you do not reserve the right to champion yourself here as a defender of Jewish interests. You are a liberal and nearly all liberals today chant "Death to Israel" along with their muslim buddies. Absolutely shameful!



I think that’s both outrageous and hypocritical.


Don’t you?
  

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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #73 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 8:21am
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Limey. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 6:02am:
This is what Fez said:



I think that’s both outrageous and hypocritical.


Don’t you?

No, usually it is a minority that thinks this but quite a few who view Israel in a very negative light.
  


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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #74 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 12:02pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 8:21am:
No, usually it is a minority that thinks this but quite a few who view Israel in a very negative light.


Israel is very problematic for liberals, lefties, Conservatives and libertarians.


It isn’t so much of a problem for certain Christians (I don’t quite know the appropriate terminology; evangelicals? Consrvative Christians?)because their morality is distorted by the prism of belief.


Fez was utterly outrageous in what he said. It’s another example of a common tactic-make shit up and then argue as if the made up shit was real.
  

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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #75 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:00pm
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Limey. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 12:02pm:
Israel is very problematic for liberals, lefties, Conservatives and libertarians.


It isn’t so much of a problem for certain Christians (I don’t quite know the appropriate terminology; evangelicals? Consrvative Christians?)because their morality is distorted by the prism of belief.


Fez was utterly outrageous in what he said. It’s another example of a common tactic-make shit up and then argue as if the made up shit was real.

If there is no God then how is there any such thing as morals?
  


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Reply #76 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:33pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:00pm:
If there is no God then how is there any such thing as morals?


I think you and I have a worldview that says one's conscience is a vestige of being created in the image of our creator, whether belief in that creator exists or not.  Others' worldview is that humans are, for the most part, generally decent, having evolved that way.

They firmly believe that, so that's how there can be such a thing as morals.  One will never argue an agnostic or an atheist into believing in a creator by asserting that were it not for that creator, all humans would behave differently.
  

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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #77 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:36pm
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FEZZILLA wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:22pm:
I bet the Jews are relieved to escape the Ottoman Empire to return to their own homeland. In fact, hordes of Jewish people are leaving Europe for Israel today because of the muslim occupation of Europe.

Christians contain the vast majority of Zionists. Most liberals desire another Holocaust. So unless you voted for Trump in the last election you do not reserve the right to champion yourself here as a defender of Jewish interests. You are a liberal and nearly all liberals today chant "Death to Israel" along with their muslim buddies. Absolutely shameful!


Utter bullshit.
  

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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #78 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:48pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:00pm:
If there is no God then how is there any such thing as morals?



Erm.... look at the research.


I direct you towards an admirable summary in Dawkins.


Wiki summarises the summary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

If you look at the research quoted in the book it’s clear that those with no religion are equally ‘good’ with those who are believers. 



I assume you wouldn’t start being nasty if God said He wasn’t looking for a few days?

  

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Re: Islam: The New Pet-Religion of the Left
Reply #79 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:49pm
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EF wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 3:33pm:
I think you and I have a worldview that says one's conscience is a vestige of being created in the image of our creator, whether belief in that creator exists or not.  Others' worldview is that humans are, for the most part, generally decent, having evolved that way.

They firmly believe that, so that's how there can be such a thing as morals.  One will never argue an agnostic or an atheist into believing in a creator by asserting that were it not for that creator, all humans would behave differently.



Missed this; exactly. 


It’s just back to the circular Seawolf special ‘it’s true because I believe it’.
  

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