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Re: Trump falsely claims nearly 3,000 Americans in Puerto Rico 'did not die'
Reply #100 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:10am
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PaleoCon wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:02am:
Posting an article where Obama is not even mentioned to prove that Obama was blamed IS bullsh*t.

Care to try again?


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Re: Trump falsely claims nearly 3,000 Americans in Puerto Rico 'did not die'
Reply #101 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:02pm
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PaleoCon wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:47am:
I must have missed the MSM articles blaming Obama for all of the indirect hurricane deaths on his watch.



I must have missed the MSM articles blaming Trump for all of the indirect hurricane deaths on his watch.

So did you ..
  
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Re: Trump falsely claims nearly 3,000 Americans in Puerto Rico 'did not die'
Reply #102 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:30am:
This is what YOUR link says:


That is one government agency.  Period.  The CDC uses DIRECT AND INDIRECT deaths in the total tally.

Greg




Greg. Read the article and the excerpt. It clearly states the cdc changed the policy one month after Puerto Rico. It clearly states that.
  
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Re: Trump falsely claims nearly 3,000 Americans in Puerto Rico 'did not die'
Reply #103 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:43pm
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petep wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
Greg. Read the article and the excerpt. It clearly states the cdc changed the policy one month after Puerto Rico. It clearly states that.


And, it's clearly stated by the President of the United States who says 3000 people did NOT die because of Hurricane Maria a year after it happened and months after the government study came out with the 2900 deaths figure.  Is he a moron... or what?

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Reply #104 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:53pm
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Reply #105 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:54pm
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I’m not defending trump. I don’t think he or fema are responsible. I’ve posted else where I’ve worked with fema in disasters. I know how it works. They did all they could.


I’ve seen several studies post storm counting direct and indirect deaths. The Harvard study which estimated 850-8000 and this gw study you referenced that estimated just shy of 3000

Arguably direct plus indirect deaths is the better way to estimate casualties from a disaster, as these studies did.

When trump said there were 64 deaths immediately after the storm he was quoting the stat that has historically been used as pointed out in the article I posted.

Now if I were him would I be doubling down as he is. No. I’d simply state the facts. For example. We know there were this many direct deaths based on the historical method for death certificates listing storm as the cause. And there have been many more indirect deaths with estimated numbers ranging from 800 to 8000 and it’s probably somewhere in the middle. The main message is these storms can have lasting devastating effects and we need to do what we can to mitigate both the immediate effects and afelter effects of these disasters.

  
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Reply #106 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:58pm
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petep wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
The main message is these storms can have lasting devastating effects and we need to do what we can to mitigate both the immediate effects and afelter effects of these disasters.


See, that's the part that Trump doesn't want anyone talking about.  The implication is that he didn't do enough after Maria to help out PR, just like Bush didn't do enough after Katrina.  Trump doesn't want a robust analysis, he wants an A+.  So much so that he did the apples-to-oranges comparison you've been complaining about, when he compared the couple-dozen deaths in PR to the 1800 in Katrina.
  

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Reply #107 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 1:05pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
See, that's the part that Trump doesn't want anyone talking about.  The implication is that he didn't do enough after Maria to help out PR, just like Bush didn't do enough after Katrina.  Trump doesn't want a robust analysis, he wants an A+.  So much so that he did the apples-to-oranges comparison you've been complaining about, when he compared the couple-dozen deaths in PR to the 1800 in Katrina.


Again, trump is trump. I’m not defending him. Take trump out of the equation and I believe strongly, from last diasaster work I’ve done, looking at money invested, looking at boots on the ground, that all that could or should be done is being done. There are not unlimited resources but no one can say that many many resources were not put into pr or Katrina. 99 percent of tbe criticism was politically motivated.

I was one of many volunteers alongside many private contractors who turned around from Katrina due to the eyewitness reports of violence. Fellow emergency comm operators told me and others don’t come here, you may get killed. These are fellow civilian volunteers who we have worked alongside many times with no reason to lie. They were already there. And the videos prove they were right.


  
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Reply #108 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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On a tangent, I would like to express frustration at federal flood policies.  I read a long story in the paper today about a woman whose house was heavily damaged 2 years ago by Matthew.  She had to move into a trailer for a year, and then in with extended family while waiting for federal relief money to repair/rebuild.

The work finally started, her house was well underway to being made livable again, and now comes Florence, ready to do it all again.

One of her complaints was that the federal relief money was tied up for a long time because of concerns about rebuilding in low-lying land that will inevitably get flooded again.  Two years go by, and now it's getting flooded again.

Money wasted.  Woman's life upended while she clings to a bad piece of property.  Destruction of wetlands perpetuated -- wetlands that would go a long way to absorbing floodwaters.
  

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Re: Trump falsely claims nearly 3,000 Americans in Puerto Rico 'did not die'
Reply #109 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 1:20pm
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PaleoCon wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Anything else?


Sure.. Thanks for the "opinion" pieces ..  Roll Eyes
  
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