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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #30 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 3:02pm
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Ulysses wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
And Kellyanne grew up in her grandparent's home. Her grandfather was a notorious Mafia don.


That's what I heard.

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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #31 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 3:18pm
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Manaport more likely to be:


Sentenced to a long time for the crimes committed.

Sentenced to a short time for the crimes he committed after plea deals.

Trump pardons Manafort and hope the blockback isn't severe.


Manafort found mysteriously dead after jumping out of a 13 story building with his legs and wrists tight it. Don't assume it was a murder or Der Comrade Trump will not be happy.
  
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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #32 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:01pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 2:37pm:
Do we even know what the charges were that he plead to?  Or the charges he was facing?

Yes and yes.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-superseding-criminal-information-against-pa...
  
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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #33 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:21pm
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Ulysses wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
The "Insector general" ?

Is that the guy who bugged Trump Tower?

Cheesy



I knew there was a gag in there; well done.




  

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Reply #34 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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Queshank wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 1:59pm:
It means the last link to any Russian controversy is gone.  The Russian conspiracy theory is dead. 

Queshank

That doesn't follow from this at all. You are assuming that:
A) Mueller only has what is publicly known
B) The brain trust in the Trump campaign (Kushner, Parscale, Roger Stone, etc.) didn't give campaign and RNC demographic data to the Russians in exchange for their help using that data. I guarantee you, I DOUBLE DOG (  Wink ) guarantee you they did. Trump might even personally be able to deny all knowledge of that happening, but you are going to see key people including his own family members indicted on that. This one event will answer the question, "did the campaign conspire with Russians?" and the answer will be yes.
C) I also DOUBLE DOG guarantee you there was a quid pro quo tied to the quick close of the massive Russian fraud case early in 2017. Guess who the Russian lawyer was on that one?

  

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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #35 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 6:26pm
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Vypr wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
That doesn't follow from this at all. You are assuming that:
A) Mueller only has what is publicly known
B) The brain trust in the Trump campaign (Kushner, Parscale, Roger Stone, etc.) didn't give campaign and RNC demographic data to the Russians in exchange for their help using that data. I guarantee you, I DOUBLE DOG (  Wink ) guarantee you they did. Trump might even personally be able to deny all knowledge of that happening, but you are going to see key people including his own family members indicted on that. This one event will answer the question, "did the campaign conspire with Russians?" and the answer will be yes.
C) I also DOUBLE DOG guarantee you there was a quid pro quo tied to the quick close of the massive Russian fraud case early in 2017. Guess who the Russian lawyer was on that one?



The Russian issue is dead until Mueller's report Vypr.  And even then we're still all in the dark as to whether it's a dud or a bombshell.  And then ... you've been watching the groundwork being laid to prep whether people THINK it's a dud or a bombshell.  We all have been.  I've just been acknowledging that for what it is ... groundwork being laid ... and people on your side of this issue have been saying it's evidence of Trump being guilty because he's panicking or floundering. 

I will throw you one bone from an article I remember reading during the campaign.  I've searched for it several times since unsuccessfully.  It's exceedingly difficult to find information when Trump's name is in the search terms these days.

There was a report about a direct line out of the Trump Data Center in Texas to Russia.  I don't remember the specifics.  But there was an article written speculating about that during the campaign.

The thing is ... I would expect to see more articles of that nature if there was more to it than that one reporter's theories.  This was in the middle of the campaign.  Not post Mueller investigation.  If that reporter was on to something ... why hasn't any other reporter discovered it since?

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BowHunter wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 10:24am:
I am not aware of any article
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Reply #36 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:03pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:01pm:


So I see he plead to conspiracy against the US related to his money laundering, Ukraine activity and witness tampering.

That is a far cry from "muh Russia" and "flipping" and "rolling".  And definitely unrelated to any campaign activities or collusion.

But could you point me to where in there they list the charges he was facing before settling?  I didn't see that anywhere.  I imagine if a settlement is agreed to, there must be other charges (or punishment) that are relieved, otherwise why settle?
  
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Reply #37 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:06pm
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Queshank wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
The Russian issue is dead until Mueller's report Vypr.  And even then we're still all in the dark as to whether it's a dud or a bombshell.  And then ... you've been watching the groundwork being laid to prep whether people THINK it's a dud or a bombshell.  We all have been.  I've just been acknowledging that for what it is ... groundwork being laid ... and people on your side of this issue have been saying it's evidence of Trump being guilty because he's panicking or floundering. 

I will throw you one bone from an article I remember reading during the campaign.  I've searched for it several times since unsuccessfully.  It's exceedingly difficult to find information when Trump's name is in the search terms these days.

There was a report about a direct line out of the Trump Data Center in Texas to Russia.  I don't remember the specifics.  But there was an article written speculating about that during the campaign.

The thing is ... I would expect to see more articles of that nature if there was more to it than that one reporter's theories.  This was in the middle of the campaign.  Not post Mueller investigation.  If that reporter was on to something ... why hasn't any other reporter discovered it since?

Queshank


I can't help but think that if there were some bombshell that it would be leaking by now.

If for no other reason than to use the media report as grounds for further powers.  The DOJ seems to have a penchant for that.

If there was a bombshell, there would be whispers by now.  Whispers that would have made it to the media. 

Just look at the slimy, greedy people involved.  If Cohen or Manafort or any of these other characters had something big, are you telling me they wouldn't be leaking that information?  Or, more likely, selling it?  I find that hard to believe.
  
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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #38 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:29pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
I can't help but think that if there were some bombshell that it would be leaking by now.

If for no other reason than to use the media report as grounds for further powers.  The DOJ seems to have a penchant for that.

If there was a bombshell, there would be whispers by now.  Whispers that would have made it to the media. 

Just look at the slimy, greedy people involved.  If Cohen or Manafort or any of these other characters had something big, are you telling me they wouldn't be leaking that information?  Or, more likely, selling it?  I find that hard to believe.


Mueller doesn't seem to leak much.

So don't get your hopes up.

  

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Re: Just heard Manafort will cooperate (not just plead guilty)
Reply #39 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:30pm
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Ulysses wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Mueller doesn't seem to leak much.

So don't get your hopes up.



Manafort Mueller is not a 1 man show, nor is he the only one who knows what he knows. 

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