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Our ally murdering people?
Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:22pm
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45769974


Whew it’s not a partisan thing!


What do we think? If Saudi is carrying out premeditated extra-judicial killing, in a friendly nation, under diplomatic cover, what should Turkish (it happened in Turkey) and wider responses be?
  

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Re: Our ally murdering people?
Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 3:22am
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Limey. wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:22pm:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45769974


Whew it’s not a partisan thing!


What do we think? If Saudi is carrying out premeditated extra-judicial killing, in a friendly nation, under diplomatic cover, what should Turkish (it happened in Turkey) and wider responses be?

I don’t see why we should care about this.
  


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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 7:29am
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Jasmine wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 3:22am:
I don’t see why we should care about this.


Your nihilism is inconsistent; you frequently express an interest in things that don't directly affect you.


This is (if as presented by the Turks) quite a big deal.


We are used to the Saudis acting like primitive barbarians within their homeland towards women, various minorities, poor people etc. and like barbarians towards Yemen.


This is a different take on their shitty behaviour. I'm throwing it in for discussion.
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 8:00am
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I have to admit that I don't follow much of the politics regarding Turkey and Saudi Arabia.  However, this 'mystery' seems very suspicious and sounds like the reporter was murdered.  The fact that it might have happened in an embassy adds to the evilness of it.  Of course, the U.S had its own major problem happening in an embassy with the murders of Ambassador Stevens (?) and 5 or 6 other people.

Somebody needs to investigate this, but whom?
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 8:26am
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crepe05 wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 8:00am:
I have to admit that I don't follow much of the politics regarding Turkey and Saudi Arabia.  However, this 'mystery' seems very suspicious and sounds like the reporter was murdered.  The fact that it might have happened in an embassy adds to the evilness of it.  Of course, the U.S had its own major problem happening in an embassy with the murders of Ambassador Stevens (?) and 5 or 6 other people.

Somebody needs to investigate this, but whom?



It looks like the Turks have done so, and are mighty annoyed, with good reason.

I can't imagine what the US or UK Govts would say if this had happened in the Soudi embassy in London or Washington.

Hitting the roof wouldn't even begin to cover it.

  

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Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 3:27pm
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Limey. wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:22pm:
What do we think? If Saudi is carrying out premeditated extra-judicial killing, in a friendly nation, under diplomatic cover, what should Turkish (it happened in Turkey) and wider responses be?

Apparently our (U.S.) response, is to do nothing:

Trump says curbing arms sales to Saudi Arabia in response to missing journalist is ‘not acceptable’

If we do nothing about this, it will make our relations with Turkey worse (and they're not go as it is).
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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At  least this time it's not Putin.

This kind of reminds me of what the President said about there are a lot of bad people in the world and not to be naive about Putin being the only one who kills people and does bad things.   Kim Jung Un also comes to mind.  If he gets rid of nukes and gets rid of his missiles and is no longer a threat to the US or his neighbors do we let him live?   Which serves the best interests of our nation?  It's a rough world and sometimes weighing the best interests of the United States is not going to be popular.  Hopefully it will not come down to either the US taking Turkey's side or Saudi Arabia's.  Trukey's been engaged in some pretty bad terroristic acts recently, including right here in the US out of their diplomatic mission. I'm sure glad we still have Nikki on the job!  SOunds like a job for the UN!

remember this?  ... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/09/turkish-president-erdogans-bodyguar...
  

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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Hopefully it will not come down to either the US taking Turkey's side or Saudi Arabia's.

Frankly, it already has. 

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Trukey's been engaged in some pretty bad terroristic acts recently, including right here in the US out of their diplomatic mission.

Huh

If you're referring to what's in your Mother Jones link, that hardly counts as terrorism (certainly the act of thuggish autocrat though), and according to your article, there were grand jury indictments resulting from one of the incidents.

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I'm sure glad we still have Nikki on the job!  SOunds like a job for the UN!

If we won't unilaterally use our own leverage, what makes you think we would let anything happen to them at the U.N.?
  
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Demos wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Frankly, it already has. 

Huh

If you're referring to what's in your Mother Jones link, that hardly counts as terrorism. and according to your article, there were grand jury indictments resulting from one of the incidents.

If we won't unilaterally use our own leverage, what makes you think we would let anything happen to them at the U.N.?

Like what the meaning of "is" is, I guess it comes down to what sort of leverage we use on who to do what?  I wonder if Turkey releasing their hostage (Pastor Andrew Brunson) might be part of some deal we might broker in this problem between the Saudi's and Turkey?  BTW, why is a dispute between two of our allies our problem to jump right in the middle of?
  

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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Like what the meaning of "is" is, I guess it comes down to what sort of leverage we use on who to do what?

Well, arms sales is huge leverage with Saudi Arabia. We've completely ruled that out.

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I wonder if Turkey releasing their hostage (Pastor Andrew Brunson) might be part of some deal we might broker in this problem between the Saudi's and Turkey?

And we just ruled out using the threat of reduced arms sales, so how would we get Saudi Arabia to cooperate in any such deal? Serious question, not being flippant.

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BTW, why is a dispute between two of our allies our problem to jump right in the middle of?

Have you been surveying the landscape of the Middle East lately and who Turkey has been playing footsie with? If we're hoping/planning to deal with Syria, Iranian influence in the region, etc., it would be good to have our NATO ally back on board and working with us (and we have common cause in some of these areas). Turkey moving closer to Iran and Russia doesn't further those aims, and resolving this issue would be a step towards MAYBE repairing what is a seriously broken relationship. And it's just a decent thing to do (side benefit being it helps our reputation and makes us look good - project some soft power baby).
  
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