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Reply #20 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:34pm
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Demos wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
We can cut them off financially.

It's not like this is the first issue we've had with the Saudis. They're using our weapons and intelligence to kill innocent civilians in Yemen (and we're being implicated in the process). They funded the Taliban and the madrassas along the Pakistan-Taliban border which created them. More broadly, they've been responsible for the spread of Wahhabism throughout the Islamic world.

Like our relationship with Pakistan, we keep maintaining it even though it probably hurts us much more than it helps.

Speaking as an isolationist, I can agree with cutting them off! Well said.
  


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Reply #21 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:41pm
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Jasmine wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
Let's say Saudi Arabia says, "Okay, you caught us. We murdered the guy. Sliced and diced him into little bitty pieces. So what?"

What do you think we as a country should do in response?

Attack them? Of course not.

Apply sanctions against them? That'd be fine with me.

Disassociate ourselves with them completely? That'd be fine with me, too.

Go to the U.N. and complain? Oh, please no.

Look how well taking the moral high ground on South Africa's apartheid worked out. Now, they are well on their way to becoming Venezuela while the majority is now doing to the minority what was done to them!  Well, at least it made people feel better about themselves for awhile.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:08pm
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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
At  least this time it's not Putin.

This kind of reminds me of what the President said about there are a lot of bad people in the world and not to be naive about Putin being the only one who kills people and does bad things.   Kim Jung Un also comes to mind.  If he gets rid of nukes and gets rid of his missiles and is no longer a threat to the US or his neighbors do we let him live?   Which serves the best interests of our nation?  It's a rough world and sometimes weighing the best interests of the United States is not going to be popular.  Hopefully it will not come down to either the US taking Turkey's side or Saudi Arabia's.  Trukey's been engaged in some pretty bad terroristic acts recently, including right here in the US out of their diplomatic mission. I'm sure glad we still have Nikki on the job!  SOunds like a job for the UN!

remember this?  ... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/09/turkish-president-erdogans-bodyguar...



What terrorist action by Turkey’s diplomats are you referring to?
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:10pm
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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Look how well taking the moral high ground on South Africa's apartheid worked out. Now, they are well on their way to becoming Venezuela while the majority is now doing to the minority what was done to them!  Well, at least it made people feel better about themselves for awhile.


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Reply #24 - Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:40am
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Team from Riyadh in Turkey for talks on missing journalist, as media ditch Saudi conference

At the same time, media companies CNN and Financial Times said they were dropping out of the Saudi Future Investment Initiative conference, which is being held on October 23-25 The New York Times. FT also reported that World Bank head Jim Yong Kim, who it said was down as a confirmed speaker on the website for the event, known as the “Davos of the Desert”, was also not going. Several business leaders have also changed their minds.

US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Friday he was still planning to attend...

Turkish sources have said the initial assessment of the police was that Khashoggi, an outspoken critic of the Saudi government, was deliberately killed inside the consulate. Riyadh has dismissed the allegations as baseless.

But the Turkish government has told US officials it has audio and video recordings that prove columnist Jamal Khashoggi was killed in the consulate, The Washington Post reported, citing unidentified US and Turkish officials...

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A lot of things in that article, but in terms of response, not attending the conference is a no cost rebuke. However, we (the U.S.) apparently won't even do that.

Twenty-two Senators have released a letter requiring an investigation; it will also force the President to say whether or not he will impose sanctions (Source).
  
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Reply #25 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 3:39pm
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Just in from @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN: "According to two sources, the Saudis are preparing a report that will acknowledge Jamal Khashoggi's death was the result of an interrogation that went wrong, one that was intended to lead to his abduction from Turkey..."

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BREAKING: CNN Reporting that #Saudi Arabia will issue Report on #Khashoggi :
1-Acknowledging death
2-Result of Interrogation went wrong
3-Was intended to abduct him to Saudi
4-Likely conclude Operation was NOT cleared
5-Those involved will be held Responsible

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This doesn't really jive with what we know thus far, and it's a clear contradiction of what they told everyone to begin with (which was that he left the embassy).
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Reply #26 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 4:15pm
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Jasmine wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 3:22am:
I don’t see why we should care about this.


This!
  

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