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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:04am
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JohnnyBLate wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:54am:
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One of Columbus’ men, Bartolome De Las Casas, was so mortified by Columbus’ brutal atrocities against the native peoples, that he quit working for Columbus and became a Catholic priest.  He described how the Spaniards under Columbus’ command cut off the legs of children who ran from them, to test the sharpness of their blades.  According to De Las Casas, the men made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half.  He says that Columbus’ men poured people full of boiling soap.  In a single day, De Las Casas was an eye witness as the Spanish soldiers dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 native people.  “Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight as no age can parallel,” De Las Casas wrote.  “My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature that now I tremble as I write.”



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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:05am
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Fiddler wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:47am:
Facing extermination, the Arawaks organized and attempted to fight back against the Spaniards. But they were little match against the armor, muskets, swords and horses of the Europeans. The Spaniards hung or burned Indians that they took captive. By this point, the Arawaks began committing mass suicides. They fed cassava poison to their infants to save them from the Spanish. In two years, half of the 250,000 Indians on Haiti were dead, either through murder, mutilation or suicide. By 1550, there were 500 Indians. By 1650, the Arawaks had been wiped out from the island.

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Slaves then took over Hati. How's that working out today? Grin
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:09am
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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:03am:


Christopher Columbus had a great achievement by any standard !


On his second trip to the New World, Columbus brought cannons and attack dogs.  If a native resisted slavery, he would cut off a nose or an ear.  If slaves tried to escape, Columbus had them burned alive.  Other times, he sent attack dogs to hunt them down, and the dogs would tear off the arms and legs of the screaming natives while they were still alive.  If the Spaniards ran short of meat to feed the dogs, Arawak babies were killed for dog food.


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Reply #13 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:19am
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Coumbus and his crew were very brave men and explorers.  Yes, "slaves" were captured and hundreds of them died on the ships being taken to other continents.  That is no different than the hundreds of pilgrims who died on the ships on their way to the New World.

Personally, I'm glad that somewhere in my ancestry someone made the journey to this continent and this nation.  As in all things and discoveries, there are the bad and the good.  The same can be said about the discovery of this Continent and the eventual founding of the United States.   I have no idea where I would be living, if I would be living, if Columbus had not done his exploring venture.

Thanks Christopher Columbus.

  
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Reply #14 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:24am
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crepe05 wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:19am:
Coumbus and his crew were very brave men and explorers.  Yes, "slaves" were captured and hundreds of them died on the ships being taken to other continents.  That is no different than the hundreds of pilgrims who died on the ships on their way to the New World.

Personally, I'm glad that somewhere in my ancestry someone made the journey to this continent and this nation.  As in all things and discoveries, there are the bad and the good.  The same can be said about the discovery of this Continent and the eventual founding of the United States.   I have no idea where I would be living, if I would be living, if Columbus had not done his exploring venture.

Thanks Christopher Columbus.



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That is no different than the hundreds of pilgrims who died on the ships on their way to the New World.


Probably just a little different being one was taking against their will? Roll Eyes

In other words, one was free while the other was not! Grin Shocked

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Reply #15 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:27am
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crepe05 wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:19am:
Coumbus and his crew were very brave men and explorers.  Yes, "slaves" were captured and hundreds of them died on the ships being taken to other continents.  That is no different than the hundreds of pilgrims who died on the ships on their way to the New World.

Personally, I'm glad that somewhere in my ancestry someone made the journey to this continent and this nation.  As in all things and discoveries, there are the bad and the good.  The same can be said about the discovery of this Continent and the eventual founding of the United States.   I have no idea where I would be living, if I would be living, if Columbus had not done his exploring venture.

Thanks Christopher Columbus.


The Left want to make this achievement all about Slavery and exploitation of colored people by evil white men.

Slavery was pretty wide spread all over the Old World in the 16th century and it wasn't just black people.  However, the native tribes of Africa had themselves in engaged in slavery since the dawn of time, just as native American tribes had.  By the way, the first African slaves came to America in 1620, after the American colonies were pretty well established.  These slaves were brought in a Dutch ship to the English colony of Virginia..  They captured these slaves from a Spanish ship.  Everyone had slaves at one time or another.  Gradually, some nations did away with slavery, even though it still exits today in sub-Sahara Africa!
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:06am
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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:27am:
The Left want to make this achievement all about Slavery and exploitation of colored people by evil white men.

Slavery was pretty wide spread all over the Old World in the 16th century and it wasn't just black people.  However, the native tribes of Africa had themselves in engaged in slavery since the dawn of time, just as native American tribes had.  By the way, the first African slaves came to America in 1620, after the American colonies were pretty well established.  These slaves were brought in a Dutch ship to the English colony of Virginia..  They captured these slaves from a Spanish ship.  Everyone had slaves at one time or another.  Gradually, some nations did away with slavery, even though it still exits today in sub-Sahara Africa!




Errrrmmmm but that is exactly what it was Wally.

Brutal invasion, genocide, by hypocrites who pretended to be Christian.
  

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
Reply #17 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:13am
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crepe05 wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:20am:
Anyone else remember when we used to celebrate this day as a nation?

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I prefer to sit here today with righteous indignation and judge the actions of people from 530 years ago.

I shake my fist at them with as much outrage as I can muster and pat myself on the back for my moral superiority. Were I alive back then, I'm certain I would have fought to prevent such injustice.
  

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
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Limey. wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:06am:
Errrrmmmm but that is exactly what it was Wally.

Brutal invasion, genocide, by hypocrites who pretended to be Christian.

Grin Grin Grin Grin  Brits had a colonial empire and allowed slavery in their colonies even after the abolished in in jolly old England.  They outlawed importing slaves from Africa to their colonies, so you guys allowed establishing breeding colonies in Haiti and Jamaica!  (to continue importing slaves into you colonies in America)

By the way, Americans inherited this mess when we revolted against King & country in 1776! We could not resolve the matter of slavery and still have a nation in 1789 so we decided to work on correcting this problem we inherited from the Brits and build our new nation.  In 1812 the Brits thought us still too fragile a newly formed nation to repel your invasion, but we did.  In a little more than fifty year after this unsuccessful attempt of Britain to regain you colonies and after many attempts to do away with slavery, the Republican Party was born with the express purpose of abolishing slavery in the United States of America.  Democrats walked away in an attempt to dissolve our union.  The side of the slave owning  Democrats was aided by a foreign power.  Who was that.  Oh yeah, it was the Brits!  So get off your High Horse! 
  

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
Reply #19 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:29am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:13am:
I prefer to sit here today with righteous indignation and judge the actions of people from 530 years ago.

I shake my fist at them with as much outrage as I can muster and pat myself on the back for my moral superiority. Were I alive back then, I'm certain I would have fought to prevent such injustice.



Translation: ..  If I seem callously indifferent it is by standing on the shoulders of giant hypocrites.
  

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