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Question on holding politicians accountable
Nov 9th, 2018 at 6:54am
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In life and business you set priorities and you set goals and you set a benchmark so you know where you are today and where you hope to go.

Other than when newt came in and gave his house contract with America, I never see this in politics. More specifically, I never see the media force politicians to commit to such a thing

For example, here in Maine janet mills just became our new governor. She set her top two priorities to be the environment and the opioid issue.

But no one ever says environment, what does that mean, what are you going to do, where do we stand today on those issues, what metrics can we use to measure where we are today and what are your goals for each of those metrics. How much will those initiatives cost.

At least as someone goes they their term we can all measure their progress

This seems so obvious but it’s never done in politics. Can you imagine a ceo coming in and committing to nothing.

  
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Re: Question on holding politicians accountable
Reply #1 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 7:26am
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petep wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 6:54am:
In life and business you set priorities and you set goals and you set a benchmark so you know where you are today and where you hope to go.

Other than when newt came in and gave his house contract with America, I never see this in politics. More specifically, I never see the media force politicians to commit to such a thing

For example, here in Maine janet mills just became our new governor. She set her top two priorities to be the environment and the opioid issue.

But no one ever says environment, what does that mean, what are you going to do, where do we stand today on those issues, what metrics can we use to measure where we are today and what are your goals for each of those metrics. How much will those initiatives cost.

At least as someone goes they their term we can all measure their progress

This seems so obvious but it’s never done in politics. Can you imagine a ceo coming in and committing to nothing.


The incentive structures of government make true KPIs undesirable to the politicians.

And where they are used, they are obviously manipulated (such as unemployment rate and economic growth).

And because governments cannot fail until they do, and it's generally catastrophic. Businesses can fail, and so owners (whether private or with shareholders) have a vested interest in monitoring performance using metrics.

The left will often criticize markets because the ownership of corporation is merely looking to lift share price... But at least that's something tangible and influenced by the management of the company.

Whereas things like "unemployment rate" and "economic growth" are things certainly influenced by government but also influenced by many, many other factors.

The partisan nature of our society also prohibits the use of such indicators, because partisans on either side will simply use whichever factors are trending positive (whether in response to actual performance of politicians or not) to support their preferred party, and ignore factors which are trending negative. When critical of the other party, the reverse is true.
  

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Re: Question on holding politicians accountable
Reply #2 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 9:30am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Nov 9th, 2018 at 7:26am:
The incentive structures of government make true KPIs undesirable to the politicians.

And where they are used, they are obviously manipulated (such as unemployment rate and economic growth).

And because governments cannot fail until they do, and it's generally catastrophic. Businesses can fail, and so owners (whether private or with shareholders) have a vested interest in monitoring performance using metrics.

The left will often criticize markets because the ownership of corporation is merely looking to lift share price... But at least that's something tangible and influenced by the management of the company.

Whereas things like "unemployment rate" and "economic growth" are things certainly influenced by government but also influenced by many, many other factors.

The partisan nature of our society also prohibits the use of such indicators, because partisans on either side will simply use whichever factors are trending positive (whether in response to actual performance of politicians or not) to support their preferred party, and ignore factors which are trending negative. When critical of the other party, the reverse is true.


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Re: Question on holding politicians accountable
Reply #3 - Nov 9th, 2018 at 9:46am
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Very good rabbit.

I still think if I were a news agency I would demand to know what a politician means specifically when they set their priorities

I’m not pointing fingers at dems or repubs, neither do it because neither wants to actually be measured or held accountable.

Thinking in this mindset I believe would make for a much more educated populace and would add great clarity to what a politician is focused on.

I for example think janet mills top priorities are not the correct ones for our state, but at least she is open stating this is what I will focus on making better.

I simply want to know what that means specifically, where we stand today on those kpi’s And what the targets are.

It would be so refreshing
  
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