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Dec 3rd, 2018 at 11:11am
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Caught this summary of the Trump-Russia case on The Week, and thought I'd post an abbreviated summary here (with one or two tweaks of my own.)

The gist of it is that while we don't yet have an ironclad criminal case here, we do have a chain of events and evidence that defy reasonable attempts to explain them away.

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https://theweek.com/articles/809544

1. A professor with close ties to the Russian govt offered opposition research to Papadopoulos.  Papadopoulos lied about this, was arrested, pled guilty, and went to jail.

2. A music producer offered Trump Jr. dirt on Clinton, and Jr. replied "I love it".  He and the rest of Trump's campaign team did the infamous Trump Tower meeting with the Russian lawyer.

3. Wikileaks started posting batches of emails from the DNC and Podesta, leaking them out at intervals, as if to maximize their impact on the presidential campaign.

4. Trump called for the Russians to publish Hillary's 33k emails.  That same day, Russian hackers attempted to do just that.

5. Assange has been trapped in an embassy in London, afraid of extradition to the US.  He was motivated to help Trump, in hopes of getting out of his extradition hazard and finally escape the embassy.

6. Trump declared (repeatedly) how much he loves wikileaks.

7. One of Obama's final actions was to sanction Russia over election meddling.  Flynn (Trump's future National Security Adviser) contacted the Russian ambassador to undermine the sanctions, was later fired by Trump, and then pled guilty to lying to the FBI about this.

8. Trump fired Comey after not securing his personal loyalty, and in an effort to stop the Russia investigation (which had started out as a counter-intelligence investigation).  Trump fumed endlessly about Sessions' recusal.  He attempted to fire Mueller directly, stopping only when his lawyer threatened to resign.  He has now installed a sycophant (Whitaker) as AG, with the intent of "limiting" the investigation.

9. Trump has consistently praised Putin and offered no criticism of him, while aggressively criticizing pretty much every other world leader he comes in contact with.  We also know that Trump was seeking to do business in Moscow before and during the election, while claiming repeatedly not to.

10. Trump and his campaign team have lied about every aspect of Trumps relationship with Russia.
  

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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 11:25am
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So, for two years, the Russians have known Trump was LYING.  Two years.  Wonder what they got out of him for keeping quiet?

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Yeah, one of the things emerging now is that even putting aside whatever kompromat Putin might have over Trump's pee-tape, he most certainly had kompromat over him regarding these years of business dealings.

Trump went to great length and repetition to deny he had any business relationships with Russia.  Putin could easily prove that he did.  Kompromat.
  

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You will also note that Trump very quickly canceled his meeting with Putin once this story broke last week.  Didn't a reporter down there flat out ask Putin if he had anything on Trump? 

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Here's the other thing.  IF Trump voters had known before the election of Trump's dealing's with The Kremlin (Trumpers prefer to say "Russian Business Interests"..  It softens the effect) would it have made any difference?

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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 12:36pm
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Interestingly enough, I read my own The Week article this morning on "this Russia thing" and thought it echoed my thoughts so exactly that I should share it on LNF.  But then I read your The Week article and thought I'd just share it in this thread.

The crisis Mueller is sowing - The Week - 12/3

I'll just share the conclusion.  Since it echoes my board rhetoric for the past two years.

When Trump was elected president, two of my three children hadn't been born. Patrick Mahomes was a home-schooled junior quarterback at Texas Tech instead of a millionaire NFL superstar. There were three fewer Star Wars movies. I don't blame the president's enemies for using any means at their disposal to undermine his presidency — as long as they realize that their obsession with 2016 won't help them much in 2020.

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I am not aware of any article
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm
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Queshank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Interestingly enough, I read my own The Week article this morning on "this Russia thing" and thought it echoed my thoughts so exactly that I should share it on LNF.  But then I read your The Week article and thought I'd just share it in this thread.

The crisis Mueller is sowing - The Week - 12/3

I'll just share the conclusion.  Since it echoes my board rhetoric for the past two years.

When Trump was elected president, two of my three children hadn't been born. Patrick Mahomes was a home-schooled junior quarterback at Texas Tech instead of a millionaire NFL superstar. There were three fewer Star Wars movies. I don't blame the president's enemies for using any means at their disposal to undermine his presidency — as long as they realize that their obsession with 2016 won't help them much in 2020.

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40 seats Q.  I'd say it's been pretty effective.

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Greg55_99 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 12:38pm:
40 seats Q.  I'd say it's been pretty effective.

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23 seats less than Obama lost in his first mid term.  I'd say it could have been a lot more effective. 

I'll just quote The Boss's thoughts on 2018 for this one:

“I’d like to have seen a much more full-throated rejection of the past two years,"

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Queshank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 12:45pm:
23 seats less than Obama lost in his first mid term.  I'd say it could have been a lot more effective. 

I'll just quote The Boss's thoughts on 2018 for this one:

“I’d like to have seen a much more full-throated rejection of the past two years,"

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Dems took over the House Q.  Number of seats is pretty big.  In the end, it's like being "A little bit pregnant".  Needless to say, Trump has been LYING to the American public about his Kremlin deals for over two years.  The Russians knew it.  So what did they get out of him for keeping quiet?  That's the question.

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