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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #40 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:28pm
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Maestro wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Of course not.

But you seem to think so. In one breath you agree that you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion, and in the next you demonstrate that you actually believe that "anti-abortion" people are "other" from you; a separate, dishonest group.


When the premise is dishonest you are not going to get someone to engage in honest debate.
  
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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #41 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 3:00pm
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petep wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 12:20pm:
so let me ask you this - is "pro-choice" simply a self ascribed euphanism developed by the "pro-abortion" folks - like say, handgun control inc or everytown for gun safety?


No, I don't believe so. It accurately conveys their position of opposition to the criminalization of abortion.

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is there a "pro-abortion" group...or do they all fall under the pro-choice moniker?


I couldn't say. There may be some crazy individuals out there- nihilists or misanthropes- but I doubt there numbers are significant.
  

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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #42 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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petep wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 2:44pm:
I keep reading these threads with leftist/Marxist themes. The inherent belief seems to be that some are just “anointed” with special gifts that enable them to become wealthy, and on that “given not earned” basis those who achieve success must give a great share of it to others.

Presumably out of some “moral greater than ourselves” framework - but it seems most on the left don’t believe in a higher “god”

So are they simply racist -  believing some are just inherently better than others


All of this "who is the worse group of human beings, the Left or the Right" nonsense is tiring.

Which one were the Nazis a part of? Which one is more racist? Which one is more sexist? Which one? Which one? Which one? HOW ELSE AM I GOING TO PROVE THAT I'M A SUPERIOR HUMAN BEING UNLESS I PROVE THAT THE LABEL THAT I APPLY TO MYSELF IS APPLIED TO BETTER PEOPLE THAN THE LABEL YOU APPLY TO YOURSELF?!?!?!

No, "the Left" aren't "the biggest racists" and I will be the first to admit I used to agree with that sentiment. Neither is "the Right." The terms Left, Right and racist don't even have objective, agreed-upon meanings half the time anyway. They can be useful terms for speaking in general about different policies or strategies, but beyond that, I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say about people.

If you think a policy is a bad one, demonstrate why. Leave all this "which party has the better people" stuff alone. 
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Reply #43 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 5:05pm
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Well said, Maestro. These attempts to dehumanize our political opponents are getting pretty silly.
  

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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #44 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:17pm
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Maestro wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
All of this "who is the worse group of human beings, the Left or the Right" nonsense is tiring.

Which one were the Nazis a part of? Which one is more racist? Which one is more sexist? Which one? Which one? Which one? HOW ELSE AM I GOING TO PROVE THAT I'M A SUPERIOR HUMAN BEING UNLESS I PROVE THAT THE LABEL THAT I APPLY TO MYSELF IS APPLIED TO BETTER PEOPLE THAN THE LABEL YOU APPLY TO YOURSELF?!?!?!

No, "the Left" aren't "the biggest racists" and I will be the first to admit I used to agree with that sentiment. Neither is "the Right." The terms Left, Right and racist don't even have objective, agreed-upon meanings half the time anyway. They can be useful terms for speaking in general about different policies or strategies, but beyond that, I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say about people.

If you think a policy is a bad one, demonstrate why. Leave all this "which party has the better people" stuff alone. 



I accept your statements...to me, here is what it comes down to...As an individual, I support individual liberties, choice, freedom to travel, make my life how I want it, etc...

As I study human history, I find common themes...if I look at the most repressive, brutal regimes throughout history...they have one thing in common...large, centralized gov'ts, gov't that preach they will take care of the people, gov't leaders that are critical of "the wealthy" and use that to create class warfare...

One thing that has never, ever, not once happened in human history...is a brutal dictatorship, which operated under a small decentralized gov't, preached individual liberties, the value of the family unit, preached and practiced free market competition, let the people own most of the earned income & assets...

so lets agree to drop left vs. right...and I will argue that for what I support, I'm against any leaders and people who preach for the things that have historically set up the framework for a brutal regime...
  
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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #45 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 11:50pm
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Anti-abortionists are against abortion in cases of rape.

Therefore, they are pro-rape.

How does it feel to be a pro-rapist, Patrick?
  

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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #46 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 11:55pm
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Ulysses wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 11:50pm:
Anti-abortionists are against abortion in cases of rape.

Therefore, they are pro-rape.

How does it feel to be a pro-rapist, Patrick?

Do you think there's such a thing as a racist liberal?
  


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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
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Jasmine wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 11:55pm:
Do you think there's such a thing as a racist liberal?


Are you pro-rapist?
  

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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #48 - Dec 6th, 2018 at 4:00pm
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petep wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
As I study human history, I find common themes...if I look at the most repressive, brutal regimes throughout history...they have one thing in common...large, centralized gov'ts,


Well, yeah, pretty much. Although the States in the Confederacy were fairly oppressive and they were fighting for a loose, weak, and very limited centralized government.

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gov't that preach they will take care of the people, gov't leaders that are critical of "the wealthy" and use that to create class warfare...


That's 20th century history. I think most oppressive governments before that pretty much thought wealth = right and would have found the idea of fighting the rich on behalf of the poor fairly ludicrous.

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One thing that has never, ever, not once happened in human history...is a brutal dictatorship, which operated under a small decentralized gov't,


Given that a dictatorship and decentralization are mutually exclusive, that's true.

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preached individual liberties, the value of the family unit, preached and practiced free market competition, let the people own most of the earned income & assets...


Plenty of dictatorships have and currently do preach the value of the family unit. As for the others, they might preach them, but you're right that they don't practice them.

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so lets agree to drop left vs. right...and I will argue that for what I support, I'm against any leaders and people who preach for the things that have historically set up the framework for a brutal regime...


Sounds good.

How do you react towards Trump declaring (some of) the press the enemy of the people? That kind of language has historically been a trademark of brutal regimes.
  


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Re: Are those on the left the biggest racists
Reply #49 - Dec 6th, 2018 at 4:13pm
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Maestro. On ur last point, trump and press. Like most trump supporters and moderates / conservatives, i don’t worship politicians and see them as always right if I vote for them. They still work for me / us and I hold them accountable

That said, trump is a showman, and prime to hyperbole. Read his book (first one) and he openly admits it. If he threw a party and 50 showed up, the next morning it’d be 200.

The press in general has become a complete joke. They are in an 17th century model and generally losses they no longer control the message as they have for centuries.

Are they the enemy. No. Not like bin laden might have been the enemy, or Hitler. Have they been caught repeatedly yellows either outright lies or spinning things dangerously close tonlies to promote an agenda. Absolutely. Nothing new. Now they just get caught all the time due to the ease of information exchange.

Perhaps if I were on the receiving end of so much deceit I may be much harsher as he has been.

But no, they are not the enemy. They’ve simply devolved into a propaganda machine. Really somewhat of a joke. Not all. But certainly the mainstream.

  
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