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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 7:46pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
I'm not sure you have fully appreciated the situation.



Nicely done sir.


However.... erm.... if people are wandering around of an evening with automatic pistols on their person,  something is amiss, surely?
  

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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #11 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 7:48pm
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Waking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
If you and your people still had guns, I doubt you ruling class would be quite so eager to disregard the will of the majority of the British people and sabotage Brexit.  They are our Public Servants.  Knowing that we have guns, keeps them a bit more honest,   Roll Eyes   (you guys spoke truth to power..with power in 1066, as I recall...)



I keep telling you.

The majority of the British people did not, and do not, want to leave the EU.


You can Google or Duck Duck it.  Seriously-it's true.

In fact, it was elements of the "ruling class" who gave us Brexit.
  

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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #12 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:02pm
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Limey. wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Nicely done sir.


However.... erm.... if people are wandering around of an evening with automatic pistols on their person,  something is amiss, surely?


And there you go proving the point...

People aren't, generally, wandering around with automatic pistols.  Automatic weapons are heavily restricted at the federal level (licensing and tracking, must be manufactured prior to 1986, etc.) and several states have outright banned them.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:45pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
And there you go proving the point...

People aren't, generally, wandering around with automatic pistols.  Automatic weapons are heavily restricted at the federal level (licensing and tracking, must be manufactured prior to 1986, etc.) and several states have outright banned them.


What is an automatic pistol? Do you (limey) mean a semi auto pistol or is he referring to something along the lines of an uzi or tec 9?
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:50pm
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petep wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
What is an automatic pistol? Do you (limey) mean a semi auto pistol or is he referring to something along the lines of an uzi or tec 9?



Nomenclature.

Automatic pistol is an interchangeable term with self-loading pistol or semi-automatic pistol in British parlance.


Those weapons s firing fully automatically would be called machine pistols or, if heavier a d operated with two hands, sub machine guns.

  

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Reply #15 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 9:06pm
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Limey. wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nomenclature.

Automatic pistol is an interchangeable term with self-loading pistol or semi-automatic pistol in British parlance.


Those weapons s firing fully automatically would be called machine pistols or, if heavier a d operated with two hands, sub machine guns.



Got it. Here auto means single pull/hold trigger gun keeps firing. Semi auto, one pull, one shot, recoil reloads.
Single action - need to thingy the hammer manually then pull trigger
Double action - can be single action and also pull of trigger to thingy hammer and release hammer. Latter two are revolvers. Some pistols are semi auto, but can be single and double action (ie beretta m9)
  
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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #16 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 9:44pm
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Limey. wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:43pm:
As a dispassionate outside observer,  it often appears that you maniacs have too many guns in too many circumstances.


Limey, in this country if I saw someone beating you with a hammer which could kill you. I could shoot him to save your life, and it would not matter if I shot him front or back, your life was saved. Also, if someone with a gun does start shooting people and is running away, yes you can shoot him in the back because he might start shooting at other people.
This may sound like a clear case of police misconduct. However, the Florida statute governing police misconduct suggests a Florida court would see the case as cut and dried. The statute has codified the Supreme Court decision Graham v. Connor 490 U.S. 386 (1989) regarding the parameters of law enforcement’s use of force. The Court held that “all claims” of excessive force – including deadly force – must be addressed by the Fourth Amendment’s “objective reasonableness” standard.
Graham finds that these excessive force cases must be judged through the eyes of a reasonable officer on the scene, one with similar expertise in law enforcement. Factors used to determine whether the force used is reasonable includes “the severity of the crime,” the degree to which the suspect poses a threat to other persons and/or law enforcement, and whether the suspect is resisting or running.
§ 776.05, Fla. Stat. States that an officer is justified in the use of force if the officer reasonably believes force is necessary to protect themselves or others during an arrest, to stop a felon fleeing from law enforcement, or if the officer reasonably believes the fleeing felon poses a threat to others. § 776.06 defines deadly force as force that is likely to cause great injury or bodily harm.

If you would want me to wait for your unarmed Bobby to show up, you could be dead.
Unfortunately, as in the case Greg brought up, it was a terrible mistake. Also, if you are not a cop, it is easy to point the blame. I have three family members that are cops. What they go through almost every day is not good. Two of them have been injured, one of the two, more than once.
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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:39am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:24pm:
Well he WAS shot three times from behind. Greg


Shot by a government trained and regulated official, not a private citizen. 

And since you couldn't resist making it about race, here's the guy arrested for allegedly starting the shooting spree at the mall:



https://www.al.com/crime/2018/11/suspect-in-alabama-mall-shooting-captured-by-us...
  

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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:06am
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PaleoCon wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 9:39am:
Shot by a government trained and regulated official, not a private citizen. 

And since you couldn't resist making it about race, here's the guy arrested for allegedly starting the shooting spree at the mall:

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/11/Erron-Brown-Jefferson-County-Sheriffs-...

https://www.al.com/crime/2018/11/suspect-in-alabama-mall-shooting-captured-by-us...


OK..  Is your point that the actual shooter was Black so it's to be excused that the government trained regulated official mistook another Black man with a gun as the shooter?  Shot him in the back.  Honest mistake?  Shit happens?  Is that what you're selling?

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Re: A Good (Black) Man with a gun shot dead by a Good (White) man with a gun
Reply #19 - Dec 6th, 2018 at 11:20am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 10:06am:
OK..  Is your point that the actual shooter was Black so it's to be excused that the government trained regulated official mistook another Black man with a gun as the shooter?  Shot him in the back.  Honest mistake?  Shit happens?  Is that what you're selling?Greg


Since you unnecessarily brought race into the conversation, I'm simply pointing out that a black man also started the melee that resulted in the killing of Bradford. If this instigator had not started shooting in the mall,  no one would have been shot.  This kind of lawlessness is a symptom of the epidemic crime rate in the black community that you leftists don't want to hear about.
  

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