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Reply #50 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:36am
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Reply #51 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:27am
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I've heard he sniffs Adderall...

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Reply #52 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:50am
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crepe05 wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 5:47am:
Seems to me that a person who has made quite a comfortable living building stuff is qualified to know who to hire to build the barrier.

President Trump is ready to make the deal.  The lying(and-you've-drunk-their-potion)/socialist/progressive/liberal/leftist/dems refuse to make a deal.  It would look too much like Trump is a winner for their taste.  They basically say, "To hell with the citizens and the nation, we hate Trump".  That can also translate into "We hate the American people and our nation."


It's not a question of how much Trump knows about building walls or hiring contractors.  It's that he knows nothing about border security or the immigration and refugee issues.  He doesn't want to know -- he just wants the wall, because that was the line that brought the most applause during his campaign.

You suggest that Trump's election was a signal that "the citizens and the nation" want his wall.  Fair enough.  But that was 2 years ago, and reflected a minority of voters even at the time.  We just had another election, and if elections are signals of voter intent, voters do NOT want his wall.  They just elected a congress to put a stop to it.
  

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Reply #53 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:28am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:50am:
It's not a question of how much Trump knows about building walls or hiring contractors.  It's that he knows nothing about border security or the immigration and refugee issues.  He doesn't want to know -- he just wants the wall, because that was the line that brought the most applause during his campaign.

You suggest that Trump's election was a signal that "the citizens and the nation" want his wall.  Fair enough.  But that was 2 years ago, and reflected a minority of voters even at the time.  We just had another election, and if elections are signals of voter intent, voters do NOT want his wall.  They just elected a congress to put a stop to it.

All those who are experts in Border Security say that we need a physical barrier wherever it makes sense to have one and that the 700 miles of Border Fence that we do have, needs strengthening and reinforced, since some works and much of it is insufficient and therefore not useful.  The politicians who are now against a wall or fence or any barrier, used the same experts to back up their public statements when they supported and voted for the Border Fence Act in 2006 and other proposals since then.

Donald Trump has given up on his idea of a concrete Wall.  It's now a see through steel fence, with the experts told them they want and need.
  

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Re: - Trump's address to the nation
Reply #54 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:42am
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:28am:
All those who are experts in Border Security say that we need a physical barrier wherever it makes sense to have one and that the 700 miles of Border Fence that we do have, needs strengthening and reinforced, since some works and much of it is insufficient and therefore not useful.  The politicians who are now against a wall or fence or any barrier, used the same experts to back up their public statements when they supported and voted for the Border Fence Act in 2006 and other proposals since then.

Donald Trump has given up on his idea of a concrete Wall.  It's now a see through steel fence, with the experts told them they want and need.



Got to love how the left harps on Trump not having any knowledge and then right away discount the knowledge of those on the front lines..
Chucky was all for border security not to long ago, on record, on tape making the argument for the same exact thing giving nearly the same exact reasons. The longer this drags out the more it will be exposed that this is nothing more than a political game by the left, they dont want the wall for one reason only, to keep Trump from fulfilling a campaign promise, they think it will hurt him in 2020... American lives be dammed as long as they get power back.

  
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Reply #55 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:05am
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AmericanMom wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:42am:
Got to love how the left harps on Trump not having any knowledge and then right away discount the knowledge of those on the front lines..
Chucky was all for border security not to long ago, on record, on tape making the argument for the same exact thing giving nearly the same exact reasons. The longer this drags out the more it will be exposed that this is nothing more than a political game by the left, they dont want the wall for one reason only, to keep Trump from fulfilling a campaign promise, they think it will hurt him in 2020... American lives be dammed as long as they get power back.

 



Shouldn't you be getting dinner on the table.. ?

  

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Re: - Trump's address to the nation
Reply #56 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:13am
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Reply #57 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:22am
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This should be a matter of policy, and up until now it has been.  We have hundreds of miles of walls and fences at the locations where they make the most sense.  If they need maintenance or improvement, put it in the plan.  If there are new stretches of the border where fences/walls should be extended, make the case for that.  Base it on studies, traffic patterns, and policy consensus.

Doing it that way would make it very easy for Trump to claim he is improving border security, and would make it very hard for democrats to oppose.

But that's not what Trump is shooting for.  He wants the full border covered by a wall.  It's not necessary, it's ineffective, it's absolutely certain to cost many multiples of $5b, it's bad for flood control and the environment, and it sucks resources away from better options.

Moreover, it's plainly a political play, meant to deliver red meat to his base.  There's no real policy behind it, and no well-vetted justification for it.  He had 2 years to get it done, and nothing happened.  He is only stammering now because he thinks it makes him look bad when his favorite news channels chide him for not shutting the govt down.
  

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Reply #58 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:56am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:22am:
This should be a matter of policy, and up until now it has been.  We have hundreds of miles of walls and fences at the locations where they make the most sense.  If they need maintenance or improvement, put it in the plan.  If there are new stretches of the border where fences/walls should be extended, make the case for that.  Base it on studies, traffic patterns, and policy consensus.

Doing it that way would make it very easy for Trump to claim he is improving border security, and would make it very hard for democrats to oppose.

But that's not what Trump is shooting for.  He wants the full border covered by a wall.  It's not necessary, it's ineffective, it's absolutely certain to cost many multiples of $5b, it's bad for flood control and the environment, and it sucks resources away from better options.

Moreover, it's plainly a political play, meant to deliver red meat to his base.  There's no real policy behind it, and no well-vetted justification for it.  He had 2 years to get it done, and nothing happened.  He is only stammering now because he thinks it makes him look bad when his favorite news channels chide him for not shutting the govt down.

Your first two paragraphs were spot on.  Then, you went off the rails.  President Trump has gone along with what the experts have told him that he needs and given up on the idea of needing a two thousand mile long, concrete wall.  He now is asking for a steel fence and only where these experts of the Border Patrol have told him we need it. 
  

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Reply #59 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 1:40pm
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AmericanMom wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:42am:
Got to love how the left harps on Trump not having any knowledge and then right away discount the knowledge of those on the front lines..
Chucky was all for border security not to long ago, on record, on tape making the argument for the same exact thing giving nearly the same exact reasons. The longer this drags out the more it will be exposed that this is nothing more than a political game by the left, they dont want the wall for one reason only, to keep Trump from fulfilling a campaign promise, they think it will hurt him in 2020... American lives be dammed as long as they get power back.

 


Nancy also wanted the wall a fews year prior to not wanting the wall.  A doofus and a doofusette mlarching in lockstep.
  
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