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Reply #30 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:17am
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crepe05 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:04am:
Silly, silly, silly forgetful centrist.  I have never said to stop all other ways of monitoring our borders.  The barrier is just another tool, an important one, in maintaining our national border security.


We have barriers along parts of the border, where they are effective.  We have other monitoring practices covering the other parts of the border, and backing up the existing fences.  Together, they have led to a years-long decline in the US illegal immigrant population.  So where is the "crisis"?
  

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Reply #31 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:23am
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crepe05 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:01am:
I'm a proud RINO, and deplorable also. according to some.  All I know is that people like me were so glad to hear what Candidate Trump had to say.  We were sick and tired of all of same old politicians saying all the same things, year after year.  Candidate Trump at least saw things as we did.  None of the other candidates of the two parties even knew what we thought and never mentioned it, other than hils calling us deplorables.  Dang, that woman wasn't even a wee bit p.c., much less smart/intelligent.

You asked two questions under one heading.  If he doesn't get the wall built, I'd have to know what happened to decide if I should vote for him again.  If he gets part of it built (and the money runs out), yes, he'd still get my vote.  With all of the organized icky-poo dem blustering about the horrors of the barrier, I would realize the difficulty under which he was working and give him more time and work to defeat the ones who were standing in his way.




To each his or her own. Wink  I was happy to hear what he had to say as well but perhaps not so keen on how he chose to say it. My beef with him was just as my instincts turned out to be correct about now. You insult Congress which is your own party and will be needed and like children they will make life difficult. I don't advocate that but it is the reality that we are now living through. Trump told everyone what they wanted to hear and was wise enough to pick Hillary off in states she didn't think were vulnerable. That lightening, in my opinion won't strike twice in the same place.

Here's the thing on the wall. 5.7 billion isn't going to cut it and Trump knows that. I also don't like the threats that some call strategy if you don't plan on using them. Now to that point, I'm hoping that if he really wants that wall, stop bluffing and declare the national emergency and get it done. That would go a long way to helping his potential reelection among his base.

My own opinion is that I don't think he will be reelected barring anything unusual. Not due to a wall. Luther is right about one thing and he knows it's about the only thing that I agree with him on. Demographics have changed. Trump lost the popular vote and while we don't elect based on that, we get a good sense of how people think. Those people are now spreading out into red states..hence the recent ass-kicking in the House and a Beto giving Cruz a run for the money. The country is changing and indoctrination for decades is coming to fruition for them. Conservatives are a dying breed, literally.

I could go on but again to what end. I'll close by saying whatI said and have lived by since Trump was elected. When he's right, I'll agree with him. When wrong I'll call him out. Trump aside, I will never vote for a democrat thanks to the absurdity of far left of that party and I will respect that some democrats will not vote Republican due to the far right's views.


So I end how I started..to each, his or her own.

  

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Reply #32 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:24am
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What has been manufactured?  Undecided
  

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Reply #33 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:27am
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Genesee wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:24am:
What has been manufactured?  Undecided


They are right. Big money from the left manufactured the caravans that otherwise would not have formed. It was manufactured but not by Trump.
  

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Reply #34 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:49am
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Abe wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:23am:
To each his or her own. Wink  I was happy to hear what he had to say as well but perhaps not so keen on how he chose to say it. My beef with him was just as my instincts turned out to be correct about now. You insult Congress which is your own party and will be needed and like children they will make life difficult. I don't advocate that but it is the reality that we are now living through. Trump told everyone what they wanted to hear and was wise enough to pick Hillary off in states she didn't think were vulnerable. That lightening, in my opinion won't strike twice in the same place.

Here's the thing on the wall. 5.7 billion isn't going to cut it and Trump knows that. I also don't like the threats that some call strategy if you don't plan on using them. Now to that point, I'm hoping that if he really wants that wall, stop bluffing and declare the national emergency and get it done. That would go a long way to helping his potential reelection among his base.

My own opinion is that I don't think he will be reelected barring anything unusual. Not due to a wall. Luther is right about one thing and he knows it's about the only thing that I agree with him on. Demographics have changed. Trump lost the popular vote and while we don't elect based on that, we get a good sense of how people think. Those people are now spreading out into red states..hence the recent ass-kicking in the House and a Beto giving Cruz a run for the money. The country is changing and indoctrination for decades is coming to fruition for them. Conservatives are a dying breed, literally.

I could go on but again to what end. I'll close by saying whatI said and have lived by since Trump was elected. When he's right, I'll agree with him. When wrong I'll call him out. Trump aside, I will never vote for a democrat thanks to the absurdity of far left of that party and I will respect that some democrats will not vote Republican due to the far right's views.


So I end how I started..to each, his or her own.



LOL.  You can say, "To each his own" to me.  That's the saying and anything else is just a bunch of p.c. junk, to me.  I don't get offended by a saying that's been used for generation after generation after generation and everyone should know what it means.

I'm not much concerned regarding the mid-term election.  According to all polls (my favorite record keeping/opinion shaping source), when one party has all three branches of the govt, the following mid-term election goes to the other party.  I expected the loss.  What surprised me is that it wasn't as high as polls,/opinions had projected.  If I remember correctly(I know I'm old ad some of us have memory problems so please, no smart-axx remarks), obummers first mid-term was worse.

I agree that the country is changing.  I don't like the socialist bent that it is heading for, and hate to think of the loss of independent thinking  toward which the nation is going. That Alexandra Double-Last-Name absolutely drives me up the wall, figureatively.   it's govt give me and everyone else everything I want, and give it to me now.

Don't make me work to raise money to go to college.   That's not fair.  Don't make me pay for my health care.  That's not right.  Waah, waah, waah.  Apartments are too expensive.    Whine, whine, whine.
When did we lose our pride in being independent?  Sad. sad, sad.
  
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Reply #35 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:13pm
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crepe05 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:49am:
LOL.  You can say, "To each his own" to me.  That's the saying and anything else is just a bunch of p.c. junk, to me.  I don't get offended by a saying that's been used for generation after generation after generation and everyone should know what it means.

I'm not much concerned regarding the mid-term election.  According to all polls (my favorite record keeping/opinion shaping source), when one party has all three branches of the govt, the following mid-term election goes to the other party.  I expected the loss.  What surprised me is that it wasn't as high as polls,/opinions had projected.  If I remember correctly(I know I'm old ad some of us have memory problems so please, no smart-axx remarks), obummers first mid-term was worse.

I agree that the country is changing.  I don't like the socialist bent that it is heading for, and hate to think of the loss of independent thinking  toward which the nation is going. That Alexandra Double-Last-Name absolutely drives me up the wall, figureatively.   it's govt give me and everyone else everything I want, and give it to me now.

Don't make me work to raise money to go to college.   That's not fair.  Don't make me pay for my health care.  That's not right.  Waah, waah, waah.  Apartments are too expensive.    Whine, whine, whine.
When did we lose our pride in being independent?  Sad. sad, sad.



This was the election that should have defied the history of past midterms. Instead of picking up a few seats they literally kicked ass and this was with a thriving economy and a president still fighting for what he promised. That leads me to think that maybe the wall isn't as important to those outside his base than what is believed regardless of polls. It plays to motivation to vote which is why I believe if there is no wall...there no chance of reelection and even with one it won't be a cakewalk even if the economy is doing well. But that's just my 2 cents.

Then there's another contingent. Those who have lost a boatload of money in their 401Ks and IRAs. Maybe not directly Trump's fault, but he will get the blame if those accounts don't recover...the media will see to that. A.O.C is a joke and I don't think she will be around long but what she symbolizes will be and there's more like minded as she...waiting in the wings.

As to being Independent...again just my 2 cents but I'm not so sure there are any Independents any longer. I technically am registered as one but in order to vote I have to pick a side so am I really still an Independent after that? (rhetorical question).
  

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Reply #36 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:21pm
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Abe wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:27am:
Big money from the left manufactured the caravans that otherwise would not have formed.



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Reply #37 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:27pm
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Fiddler wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
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So you don't think there was any money behind helping them get from their own countries, through Mexico and to the border?  Come on Fiddler, even you know there had to be help along the way and why now. We have never seen caravans of that magnitude.

Care to share the logistics of how people from south of Mexico, supposedly dirt poor made it that far. Did they eat? Bathe? Use the bathroom for starters...

My point is that they were certainly helped and if you noticed I didn't take the usual road the Republicans take by saying it was Soros. I don't know who it was but this was an organized movement...not a spur of the moment one.

"The latest caravan organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras is a reflection of … conditions fueling forced displacement from the Northern Triangle countries of Central America, including the brutal repression facing citizens in Honduras following last year’s fraudulent elections …"


https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/04/03/caravans-of-immigrants/

To that point as well being poor and wanting a better life while understandable is not a grounds for asylum.

But no matter, you know as well as I that we aren't going to agree and just end up swapping dueling links.
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Reply #38 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:29pm
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Abe wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 11:27am:
They are right. Big money from the left manufactured the caravans that otherwise would not have formed. It was manufactured but not by Trump.


I agree with you that the caravan money has been procured by political operatives, at home and abroad, political party nonetheless.

  

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Reply #39 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:31pm
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It's a refugee crisis (yes, an actual "crisis") that is driving the caravans.  Significant numbers of people are so fearful for their lives and families that they are willing to drop everything and leave.  They hear of a caravan, and all of the sudden a very perilous journey becomes marginally safer.  Safety through numbers.

They get some help along the way, but it's from food donations by Mexicans, not campaign funds from democrats.
  

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