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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #30 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:12pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
According to your link, Manafort hired Kilimnik in 2005. They've known each other for over a decade. Is it strange to think that they are friends?

I have Russian friends from my time in Oil&Gas.

Some of them probably have "ties" to the Russian government!!


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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Oh, but there's more:


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Friends aren't illegal. Conspiracy isn't illegal. Collusion isn't illegal.
  

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Oh, but there's more:
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There is a name for cooperation between an American political campaign and a foreign government. It’s commonly called collusion. Or, if you prefer the legal term, conspiracy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/09/collusion-case-against-trump-...

Just a little chat between bosom buddies.

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What shoddy journalism. "Conspiracy" is not the legal term for "collusion".
  

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #33 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:13pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Would you share your work product with the current company you work for with them?

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Sharing isn't illegal.  Undecided
  

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Would you share your work product with the current company you work for with them?

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If I wanted some help, and I knew it was in an area of his expertise, or if I thought he might have a unique opinion on it. Sure.

  

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #35 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:13pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

What shoddy journalism. "Conspiracy" is not the legal term for "collusion". [/quote]

As has been clearly stated.  "Collusion" is not a crime.  "Conspiracy" IS a crime.

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #36 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:15pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
If I wanted some help, and I knew it was in an area of his expertise, or if I thought he might have a unique opinion on it. Sure.



If I did that, I would be fired.  However, it is not illegal.  BUT, if you are working for a political campaign and share information with the expectation of receiving something in return from a foreign national, THAT is illegal.

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #37 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:15pm
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So, Greggy, what's your beef?
  

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #38 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:16pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
As has been clearly stated.  "Collusion" is not a crime.  "Conspiracy" IS a crime.

You are losing your mind.

Conspiracy is a crime, though it must be in conjunction with another actual crime. There can be no conspiracy without an actual crime being committed.

What the journalist or author said was that the two words are equivalent, but that one is just the legal term.
  

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Re: Trump denies knowledge of Manafort Conspiracy with Russian Intelligence
Reply #39 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:18pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:16pm:
You are losing your mind.

Conspiracy is a crime, though it must be in conjunction with another actual crime. There can be no conspiracy without an actual crime being committed.

What the journalist or author said was that the two words are equivalent, but that one is just the legal term.


That is NOT true Rabbit:

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18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

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If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

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