Liberty News Forum
Political News Forum - Let your opinions be heard on current news and politics. Not for wimps!
Political Opinion Page - Recent Posts - LNF Forums LNF in the Age of Empowerment! Algorithm free!
Christian Forum - Religion Forum - Entertainment - Sports Forum
Military - A1 News Page - Computers Tech - Financial News - Bunker - Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll
The House - Off the Wall News - Page 2 - Rasmussen Reports Polls - Chat Room
Liberty News ForumLNF Forums HerePolitical Opinion Page - The Hot Seat › Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015 (Read 1,135 times)
Rabbit_Reborn
LNF Speaker
LNF Bunker
*****
Offline

[i]Latin quote hinting
at my great intellect.[/i]

Posts: 24,950
Location: Midwest
Joined: Oct 17th, 2005
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #40 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:04pm
Print Post  
Phillip3 wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
Then why are we shutting down the government for something, according to Trumpers, Mexico is still paying for?

I don't know. I don't really care, either.
  

Tell me everything about your new t-shirt. Give me all of the details.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fiddler
LNF Speaker
LNF Bunker
*****
Offline

I love American Pi

Posts: 22,478
Joined: Jan 28th, 2014
Gender: Male
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #41 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:07pm
Print Post  
Cristobal wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:39am:
Obama said that you can keep your doctor and insurance,

where were you on that one?


Rooting for Americans along with Obama. 

If your doctor changed it was because you chose a different plan.. There's nothing in the ACA that forced anyone to change their insurance.


  

Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
forgotten centrist
LNF Speaker
*****
Online

bring back the middle
class!

Posts: 14,196
Joined: Sep 29th, 2004
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #42 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:13pm
Print Post  
Fiddler wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:07pm:
Rooting for Americans along with Obama. 

If your doctor changed it was because you chose a different plan.. There's nothing in the ACA that forced anyone to change their insurance.


Actually, there was.  There was an insidious infection of fake insurance spreading across the lower half of the economy that the ACA did away with.  These were cheap -- much cheaper than actual insurance -- only because they covered almost nothing.  And invariably, they had payout caps that guaranteed the "insurers" would always make a profit.

Lots of people fell for the scam.  Lots of people didn't want to buy actual insurance if they could buy fake insurance for half price.  Now in the Trumpublican era, they have basically removed those restrictions on what can be sold as "insurance", and we're sinking back down into the muck.

MAGA!
  

2017 dream team (junior member)
and now as friendly as Jasmine!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Queshank
LNF House Leader
LNF Bunker
****
Offline

I Love Liberty News Forum!

Posts: 9,142
Location: South Dakota
Joined: Apr 22nd, 2015
Gender: Male
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #43 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:19pm
Print Post  
I think when most people criticize the "Choose your own doctor" failure of Obamacare they're talking about things like in South Dakota you have two choices for a plan.  The Avera Insurance plan and the Dakotacare/Sanford Insurance plans.

If the Avera care is cheaper for you, you are limited to seeing physicians that work with the Avera network.  You cannot see a physician at a Sanford clinic, your insurance won't cover it.

If the Sanford/Dakotacare is cheaper for you, you are limited to seeing physicians that work with the Sanford network.  Your insurance will not cover visits to an Avera clinic.

Most of the people I know that are unhappy about it are unhappy because their employer switched from expensive plans like Blue Cross/Blue Shield and got insurance through the Avera Network.  And now they had to switch from Sanford to Avera.  Or vice versa.

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is not a fly by night fraudulent insurance scam.  They just aren't part of the exchanges.  Or weren't as late as 2014 when I gave a shit because I had to learn everything about the ACA to advise clients.

Queshank
  

The question isn't whether or not we're descended from monkeys.  The question is, when are we going to stop descending?
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Ulysses
LNF Speaker
LNF Bunker
*****
Online

Vote Him Out!

Posts: 16,272
Location: Redacted
Joined: Feb 19th, 2018
Gender: Male
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #44 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:21pm
Print Post  
forgotten centrist wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Actually, there was.  There was an insidious infection of fake insurance spreading across the lower half of the economy that the ACA did away with.  These were cheap -- much cheaper than actual insurance -- only because they covered almost nothing.  And invariably, they had payout caps that guaranteed the "insurers" would always make a profit.

Lots of people fell for the scam.  Lots of people didn't want to buy actual insurance if they could buy fake insurance for half price.  Now in the Trumpublican era, they have basically removed those restrictions on what can be sold as "insurance", and we're sinking back down into the muck.

MAGA!


I remember those scam "policies" well. I looked into them back in the early 2000's. Invariably they didn't cover major medical, and covered only generic drugs. Some even had maximum benefit levels. I calculated on one that the cost of the premiums was just about the same as the maximum total benefit level. WTF, I thought. From there on out I think of such scams as "Joke Health Insurance". But then we have a joke president as well.

  

"Well, we don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia" - Eric Trump, 2014
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
forgotten centrist
LNF Speaker
*****
Online

bring back the middle
class!

Posts: 14,196
Joined: Sep 29th, 2004
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #45 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:36pm
Print Post  
Ulysses wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
I remember those scam "policies" well. I looked into them back in the early 2000's. Invariably they didn't cover major medical, and covered only generic drugs. Some even had maximum benefit levels. I calculated on one that the cost of the premiums was just about the same as the maximum total benefit level. WTF, I thought. From there on out I think of such scams as "Joke Health Insurance". But then we have a joke president as well.



Exactly why they aren't "insurance".  They can charitably be described as a payment management plan.  But realistically, they are just a scam.  They're the sub-prime lenders of health insurance.  The seedy payday-loan shack down by the laundromat.
  

2017 dream team (junior member)
and now as friendly as Jasmine!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Rabbit_Reborn
LNF Speaker
LNF Bunker
*****
Offline

[i]Latin quote hinting
at my great intellect.[/i]

Posts: 24,950
Location: Midwest
Joined: Oct 17th, 2005
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #46 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:40pm
Print Post  
forgotten centrist wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Actually, there was.  There was an insidious infection of fake insurance spreading across the lower half of the economy that the ACA did away with.  These were cheap -- much cheaper than actual insurance -- only because they covered almost nothing.  And invariably, they had payout caps that guaranteed the "insurers" would always make a profit.

Lots of people fell for the scam.  Lots of people didn't want to buy actual insurance if they could buy fake insurance for half price.  Now in the Trumpublican era, they have basically removed those restrictions on what can be sold as "insurance", and we're sinking back down into the muck.

MAGA!

A small fraction of what makes up the vast majority of "health insurance" plans could accurately be described as health insurance.
  

Tell me everything about your new t-shirt. Give me all of the details.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
crepe05
LNF Speaker
LNF Bunker
*****
Offline

I Love Liberty News Forum!

Posts: 28,163
Location: Louisiana
Joined: Feb 25th, 2012
Gender: Female
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #47 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:41pm
Print Post  
Ulysses wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
I remember those scam "policies" well. I looked into them back in the early 2000's. Invariably they didn't cover major medical, and covered only generic drugs. Some even had maximum benefit levels. I calculated on one that the cost of the premiums was just about the same as the maximum total benefit level. WTF, I thought. From there on out I think of such scams as "Joke Health Insurance". But then we have a joke president as well.



And that "joke insurance" has nothing to do with our current POTUS.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
forgotten centrist
LNF Speaker
*****
Online

bring back the middle
class!

Posts: 14,196
Joined: Sep 29th, 2004
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #48 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:46pm
Print Post  
crepe05 wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:41pm:
And that "joke insurance" has nothing to do with our current POTUS.


"Joke insurance" = "association health plans"

Quote:
Association health plans, the subject of the new rules, do not have to follow the same rules as individual policies sold under Obamacare, meaning they are not required to cover all of the essential health benefits mandated by the Affordable Care Act, like maternity care, an important piece of the law’s protections for people with preexisting conditions.

Trump had asked federal agencies last fall to look for ways to expand the use of association health plans — groups of small businesses that pool together to buy health insurance — and to broaden the definition of short-term insurance, which is also exempted from the Affordable Care Act’s rules.

Overall, the Trump administration is expected to make cheaper plans with skimpier benefits more available — and while that may be a better deal for healthy people who do not receive federal assistance, experts worry the push toward these plans will damage the ACA’s marketplaces. Costs could rise for federal taxpayers who must cover the higher costs for subsidized customers, and higher-income people who nevertheless need more comprehensive insurance could be forced to choose between paying more for the more expensive Obamacare plans or buying skimpier coverage that might not cover what they need.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/19/17478422/association-health-pl...
  

2017 dream team (junior member)
and now as friendly as Jasmine!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Archie
LNF Speaker
LNF Bunker
*****
Offline

I Love Liberty News Forum!

Posts: 22,907
Location: Melbourne Florida
Joined: Mar 13th, 2011
Gender: Male
Re: Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015
Reply #49 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 1:50pm
Print Post  
Phillip3 wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
Then why are we shutting down the government for something, according to Trumpers, Mexico is still paying for?


Answer to your simple question. Because the (D) party is trying to show how tough they are. But if you are just thinking smart, you will know that the (D) socialist party needs these illegal people to help them turn the USA into another socialist country. And if you think I am just being a heartless conservative, just listen to two very popular democrats, one male and one female preaching their agenda. Identified as democratic socialists.

Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

And Sanders that ran against scholiast Hillary last time. Which one do you prefer? Or President Trump?
Smiley
  

Freedom
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6 
Send TopicPrint
 
Liberty News ForumLNF Forums HerePolitical Opinion Page - The Hot Seat › Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015

LNF Home - Political Opinion Page
LNF Forums

Christian Forum - Religion Forum - Sports Forum - Entertainment - House
Military, History - Cooking and Crafts - Creative Writing
Off the Wall News - Science Forum - Tech Gadgets - Financial News - Humor
Bunker - Page 2 - Page 3 - Page 4 - Chat Room





Drudge Report - News Max - Rush Limbaugh - FrontpageMag
Advertise on the LNF - Twitter LNF - LNF Archive - LNF News
LNF Blog
News and Political Links
Political Blogs
Add your website or blog
Political Columnists
Political Humor
A1 News Page
David Limbaugh
Political Frog
Conservatives Directory
President Trump Approval Poll
Presidential Party Election Poll News forum posting, privacy policy and member rules