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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #30 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:35pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
My apparent position is thus.  The FBI opened a counter intelligence investigation into the actions of Donald J. Trump while he has been President of the United States.  Something triggered that.  Something led them to believe the President was compromised by the government of Russia.  Now, to say they found nothing is not currently a true statement.  From what I'm hearing and reading, no further information is being made public or has leaked out so no one knows what was or was not found.


The burden of proof is on an accuser.  So you and accepting this accusation as truth simply on the basis of an investigation have failed to meet that burden.

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Now, if YOU can point out to me at any time in our history a president has been suspected of being a spy, let me know.

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I have provided you a historical precedent for counter intelligence investigations being politically motivated.  You laughed at it, rather than address it.
  
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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #31 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:36pm
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What did the FBI find?
  



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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #32 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:38pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:35pm:
The burden of proof is on an accuser.  So you and accepting this accusation as truth simply on the basis of an investigation have failed to meet that burden.


I am accepting that an investigation was launched into the activities of the President.  I am accepting that the disposition of the investigation is still ongoing.  I am accepting that no pubic conclusion has been released.

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I have provided you a historical precedent for counter intelligence investigations being politically motivated.  You laughed at it, rather than address it.


And I'm still laughing at it. Cheesy 

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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #33 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:40pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
And I'm still laughing at it. Cheesy 

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Because you can't actually address it without undermining your breathless pearl clutching over how big this is and how bad it is for Trump.
  
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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #34 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:43pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Because you can't actually address it without undermining your breathless pearl clutching over how big this is and how bad it is for Trump.


Does it bother you that the President of the United States was or is the subject of a counter intelligence investigation and is suspected as being a Russian asset?  Do you dismiss it as being political? 

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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #35 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:46pm
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stu_gatze wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 10:37am:
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OMG, .. you anti-Trumpers really DO believe that bullshit, don't you?    Smiley

I find that to be hilarious!  Grin Grin


Yes, I do believe that the FBI thinks that Trump is a possible Russian asset.

What's hilarious about that?

On what basis do you think that the FBI is lying about it?

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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #36 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:54pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:43pm:
Does it bother you that the President of the United States was or is the subject of a counter intelligence investigation and is suspected as being a Russian asset?


Sure.  It would be concerning if the allegations were true and would also be concerning if the investigation was politically motivated (or motivated by the firing of Comey).  Do you consider it possible that the investigation was spitefully or politically motivated?  Would that bother you?

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I dismiss it as being of zero inculpatory value until evidence shows otherwise.  The mere existence of a question or an investigation should not be treated as evidence that the accusation is true.

All too often these days, people on all sides treat "arrested", "questioned", "indicted", "charged", "believed", "alleged", etc. to be equivalent to "proven".  Not even close.

If I "want to know if Greg" is murderer, my wondering does zero to substantiate any claim that you are, in fact, a murderer.

And if the accusation turns out to be completely without merit, then it should at least be considered that the FBI's investigation was politically motivated or motivated by spite over Comey's firing.

Do you agree?
  
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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #37 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:59pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
Sure.  It would be concerning if the allegations were true and would also be concerning if the investigation was politically motivated (or motivated by the firing of Comey).  Do you consider it possible that the investigation was spitefully or politically motivated?  Would that bother you?


I dismiss it as being of zero inculpatory value until evidence shows otherwise.  The mere existence of a question or an investigation should not be treated as evidence that the accusation is true.

All too often these days, people on all sides treat "arrested", "questioned", "indicted", "charged", "believed", "alleged", etc. to be equivalent to "proven".  Not even close.

If I "want to know if Greg" is murderer, my wondering does zero to substantiate any claim that you are, in fact, a murderer.

And if the accusation turns out to be completely without merit, then it should at least be considered that the FBI's investigation was politically motivated or motivated by spite over Comey's firing.

Do you agree?


Oh sure, but I'm finding that every time Trump turns around to fart, a Russian turns up.  That's not the MSM making this up.  It's happening.  As a reasonable person, I ask myself "Why?".  Why so many Russians?  Can't be just business deals (which he should not be doing while president anyway".  As a reasonable person, I cannot ignore far to many threads that lead to Russians.  Now, if and when Mueller makes his findings public, I suppose I'll just satisfy myself with the occasional indictment of Trump cronies (which should bother you as well as it does me). 

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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #38 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:39pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
Oh sure, but I'm finding that every time Trump turns around to fart, a Russian turns up.  That's not the MSM making this up.  It's happening.  As a reasonable person, I ask myself "Why?".  Why so many Russians?  Can't be just business deals (which he should not be doing while president anyway".  As a reasonable person, I cannot ignore far to many threads that lead to Russians.  Now, if and when Mueller makes his findings public, I suppose I'll just satisfy myself with the occasional indictment of Trump cronies (which should bother you as well as it does me). 

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If everyone is a Russian spy seeking to subvert the interest of the USA, then you will see them everywhere and see them as bad by default.

Lots of people have ties to Russian people.  It is big country with lots of people.

Trump has met, publicly, with Hillary Clinton.  She has lots of ties to the Russian government.  Robert Mueller? Traveled to Russia with a uranium sample.  Holy smokes!! Ties to Russia!  Investigate! ....or not.

I keep trying to point out that so many of these stories, like this one, are, so far, nothing.  And all they do is muddy the water and give Trump ammo to point out that every single one is unsubstantiated.  Why do that?  If it is so sure that he is guilty?  The people will get exhausted if they aren't already.

And I tend to think that if Trump was a Russian spy or puppet they would have gotten him out of office by now.  Why drag out a two year investigation, chase down tax crimes and porn star payoffs when the president is working every day as a foreign agent set on diminishing America to the benefit of Russia?

If these Russian asset allegations are true, what a colossal failure of an investigation to let him sit in office for 2 years (so far) without a single public piece of proof enough to get him the hell out of there?
  
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Re: The FBI thought the President of the United States was a Russian asset
Reply #39 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 4:00pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
If everyone is a Russian spy seeking to subvert the interest of the USA, then you will see them everywhere and see them as bad by default.

Lots of people have ties to Russian people.  It is big country with lots of people.

Trump has met, publicly, with Hillary Clinton.  She has lots of ties to the Russian government.  Robert Mueller? Traveled to Russia with a uranium sample.  Holy smokes!! Ties to Russia!  Investigate! ....or not.

I keep trying to point out that so many of these stories, like this one, are, so far, nothing.  And all they do is muddy the water and give Trump ammo to point out that every single one is unsubstantiated.  Why do that?  If it is so sure that he is guilty?  The people will get exhausted if they aren't already.

And I tend to think that if Trump was a Russian spy or puppet they would have gotten him out of office by now.  Why drag out a two year investigation, chase down tax crimes and porn star payoffs when the president is working every day as a foreign agent set on diminishing America to the benefit of Russia?

If these Russian asset allegations are true, what a colossal failure of an investigation to let him sit in office for 2 years (so far) without a single public piece of proof enough to get him the hell out of there?


Why did Trump claim he had no ties to Russia on many occasions? 

It wouldn't be as suspicious if he had admitted he had ties, and here are a few of them....

Naturally that looks bad in the court of public opinion... why lie?

  
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