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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Another version of the Watchmaker Argument, and wrong for the exact same reason.  The universe is a category all its own and can't be rationally compared to a watch or building.

BTW, the Bible does not teach that all the non-Christians will go to hell when they die.  The Bible doesn't have a coherent explanation of what happens after death; different authors pose different explanations.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:39pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
Another version of the Watchmaker Argument, and wrong for the exact same reason.  The universe is a category all its own and can't be rationally compared to a watch or building.

BTW, the Bible does not teach that all the non-Christians will go to hell when they die.  The Bible doesn't have a coherent explanation of what happens after death; different authors pose different explanations.

Would you like me to cite the Biblical verses about hell?  Jesus spoke more on hell then any of the prophets.

In your opinion it is wrong, in mine, it is spot on.
  


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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:52pm
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Mark 9:43

43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Jude 1:7

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. 

Matthew 13:40-43

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40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Seems very clear and descriptive.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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None of your verses support the idea that all non-Christians go to Hell when they die.
  

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Running Deer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:55pm:
None of your verses support the idea that all non-Christians go to Hell when they die.

Then you can't read, the Bible is very clear, those who reject Jesus sin offering are those who will suffer eternally as the scripture says.  It does not have to be that way, we are given a lifetime to choose to accept his payment on our behalf.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

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Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 7:20pm
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John 3:3
3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again 2 he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2019 at 3:31pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.



No mention of Hell.
  

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