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Reply #40 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 9:19pm
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BowHunter wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 1:48pm:
Do you ever read something fun?

I do, but I find the history and doctrine of the Bible amazing and very intriguing.
  

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Reply #41 - Apr 18th, 2019 at 6:47am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
I do, but I find the history and doctrine of the Bible amazing and very intriguing.


And those things can be fun (as in enjoyable and rewarding) at the same time.
  

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Reply #42 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:35pm
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FEZZILLA wrote on Apr 13th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
From the Old Terstament:

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2).

The doctrine of eternal damnation (i.e., hell) goes far back to the core beliefs of ancient Judaism


It's not clear if "everlasting contempt" is the same thing as the Christian Hell.  But even if it is, this is definitely not a "core belief of ancient Judaism", since the second half of Daniel was written around 200 B.C.

Much older Jewish sources indicate that there is no life after death, q.v., Ecclesiastes and the Psalms.  A large  number of modern Jews believe that life ends at death, and even those who believe in an afterlife don't consider it important.

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After the close of the Canon, the early church father taught about hell and there is 4000 years of hell doctrine.


The canon closed hundreds of years after Jesus lived.  The most important church father, St. Paul, does not mention Hades or Gehenna.  Hebrew didn't exist 4000 years ago; Semitic writing isn't even that old.  Scholars almost universally agree that the Jewish scriptures were edited into their current form during the Captivity, roughly ~2500 years ago.  So...lol.
  

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Reply #43 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 10:39pm
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Running Deer wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:35pm:
It's not clear if "everlasting contempt" is the same thing as the Christian Hell.  But even if it is, this is definitely not a "core belief of ancient Judaism", since the second half of Daniel was written around 200 B.C.

Much older Jewish sources indicate that there is no life after death, q.v., Ecclesiastes and the Psalms.  A large  number of modern Jews believe that life ends at death, and even those who believe in an afterlife don't consider it important.


The canon closed hundreds of years after Jesus lived.  The most important church father, St. Paul, does not mention Hades or Gehenna.  Hebrew didn't exist 4000 years ago; Semitic writing isn't even that old.  Scholars almost universally agree that the Jewish scriptures were edited into their current form during the Captivity, roughly ~2500 years ago.  So...lol.

Jesus’ Words About Hell and Eternal Judgment
The Gospel of Matthew, Direct References
Matt 5:22  But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council.  But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matt 5:29  If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Matt 5:22, 29-30  And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Mat 10:28  “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 11:23  And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to hell; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Mat 16:18  And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
  

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Reply #44 - Apr 23rd, 2019 at 2:05pm
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ooookay, what's your point?
  

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