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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #70 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:58pm
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Luther wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 6:07am:
And the subject?

Immigration? That subject you are serially wrong about?

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Oh like on school vouchers? Shocked  So.... libertarian


That's one example.
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Funny how immigrants(majority Hispanic) use more welfare than natives

https://www.nationalimmigrationsummit.com/news/immigrants-40-less-welfare-benefi...

Looks to me like you've run out of gas.
  

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #71 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 2:17pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 4:44pm:
I really like Justin Amash. And I have to admit ^ this history is news to me.

But it makes sense if you think about it. Residents are subject to the laws of the US, so why not let them have a say?


Justins district is turning blue, I'm not surprised that he is pandering  to the left.
  
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Reply #72 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 4:47pm
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Josie wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
Justins district is turning blue, I'm not surprised that he is pandering  to the left.


If Justin Amash is what happens to Republicans in competitive (or blue leaning) districts, then thank the lord almighty for blue districts.
  

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #73 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 7:17am
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Demos wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:48am:
No it's not. Greencard holders, etc. pay taxes.

And if you pay rent, the property taxes are factored into your payments.

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No it's not. Greencard holders, etc. pay taxes.

Yeah, but the math is very fuzzy Roll Eyes Of course they pay sales tax etc

Green card holders are immigrates No?  Immigrants are more likely to use some sort of welfare than natives do

Immigrants tend to not make that much in the first place therefore they tend to not pay a Fed/state tax to begin with. EITC etc Roll Eyes


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And if you pay rent, the property taxes are factored into your payments.



Says you Roll Eyes


I don't see nothing about property taxes on a standard rental agreement Roll Eyes

Also, do they pay these property taxes during an eviction process?

Also, what say you when there is multiple immigrant families living in one home like so many are famous for? Huh

Again, lots of fuzzy math Wink
  

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #74 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 7:21am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
Immigration? That subject you are serially wrong about?


That's one example.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/16a5ff_234e38d7f765496e81a5b8be70737f69~mv2.p...https://www.nationalimmigrationsummit.com/news/immigrants-40-less-welfare-benefits-than-natives

Looks to me like you've run out of gas.



Notice  this combines entitlements with welfare Roll Eyes Grin

Of course natives use more social security/Medicare! Roll Eyes Grin

Now, its just talk about WELFARE shall we? Wink Grin


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Looks to me like you've run out of gas.


Looks like you ran out of gas Grin
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All throughout our American history, world history, "ordinary people can do extraordinary things"


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Reply #75 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:22am
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It cracks me up when welfare queen luther complains about immigrants collecting welfare.

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #76 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:13am
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Luther wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 7:17am:
Yeah, but the math is very fuzzy Roll Eyes Of course they pay sales tax etc

There's no fuzzy math. Greencard holders are lawful permanents residents and pay the same taxes citizens do.

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Says you

Says common sense, economics, business sense, and the apartment associations if you ask em.

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Again, lots of fuzzy math Wink

Again, there's no fuzzy math. You're conflating two separate things trying make things appear fuzzy.
  
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Reply #77 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 8:51pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 4:44pm:
I really like Justin Amash. And I have to admit ^ this history is news to me.

But it makes sense if you think about it. Residents are subject to the laws of the US, so why not let them have a say?


But many states had property qualifications that limited a large amount of people from voting, regardless of whether or not they were legal or illegal.

The Founders did not believe in direct democracy, which is why they made us a Republic.  The idea that they wanted every Joe Blow coming off a boat from Europe to immediately start voting is false.

To insinuate that the Founder's viewed voting for all to be as essential as many people view it today is to be either ignorant or deliberately dishonest.

  


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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #78 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:05pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
But many states had property qualifications that limited a large amount of people from voting, regardless of whether or not they were legal or illegal.

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The Founders did not believe in direct democracy, which is why they made us a Republic.  The idea that they wanted every Joe Blow coming off a boat from Europe to immediately start voting is false.


Direct democracy means you yourself vote on the issues. That's not what happens when everyone gets a vote in the election of a representative.

And a republican form of government is consistent with universal suffrage.

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To insinuate that the Founder's viewed voting for all to be as essential as many people view it today is to be either ignorant or deliberately dishonest.


Okay.
  

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #79 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:12pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:05pm:
uh huh.

Direct democracy means you yourself vote on the issues. That's not what happens when everyone gets a vote in the election of a representative.

And a republican form of government is consistent with universal suffrage.

Okay.


I understand what direct democracy is...I was making the point that the Founders absolutely did not have the view, now so common, that it is of paramount importance that every person drawing breath should vote.

Just because there was no specific limitation on non-citizen voting in the Constitution does mean the Founders, if they were alive today, would support allowing every person who hops the border to run to the voting booth.

They were quite fine leaving voting rights as a State issue and then watching the States set up limits, such as property qualifications, on who could vote.

  


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