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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #80 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:14pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:12pm:
I understand what direct democracy is...I was making the point that the Founders absolutely did not have the view, now so common, that it is of paramount importance that every person drawing breath should vote.

Just because there was no specific limitation on non-citizen voting in the Constitution does mean the Founders, if they were alive today, would support allowing every person who hops the border to run to the voting booth.

They were quite fine leaving voting rights as a State issue and then watching the States set up limits, such as property qualifications, on who could vote.


I think most of us know that, Frank.
  

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Reply #81 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:17pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:14pm:
I think most of us know that, Frank.


Well, maybe I am wrong, but I feel you were implying that the Founders would be on the side of the "get all illegals to the voting booth" crowd.

Or why else did you start this thread?
  


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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #82 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:49pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
Well, maybe I am wrong, but I feel you were implying that the Founders would be on the side of the "get all illegals to the voting booth" crowd.


That's not "my kind" of argument.

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Or why else did you start this thread?


I thought it was an interesting rumination on the evolution of federal law as it regards voting and citizenship. And I really like Justin Amash.
  

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Reply #83 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:52pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:49pm:
That's not "my kind" of argument.



Yes, I will admit, you generally avoid such passive-aggressive rhetorical flourishes.
  


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Reply #84 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:57pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:52pm:
Yes, I will admit, you generally avoid such passive-aggressive rhetorical flourishes.

Yea, those sorts of conversations don't have anywhere to go.

The founders were not a monolith and even if we could get some agreement on what a few of them believed, we're still flirting with arguments from authority.
  

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Reply #85 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:11pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
The founders were not a monolith and even if we could get some agreement on what a few of them believed, we're still flirting with arguments from authority.


I think you are going too far here.  The Founders were concerned to create a well-functioning government.  They were not concerned to make sure every living body voted.  I think this is pretty clear not only by what the Founders said but also by the fact that voting rights were in fact limited by the States.


  


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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #86 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:26pm
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Frank1 wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:11pm:
I think you are going too far here.  The Founders were concerned to create a well-functioning government.  They were not concerned to make sure every living body voted.  I think this is pretty clear not only by what the Founders said but also by the fact that voting rights were in fact limited by the States.



Okay and I still believe this talk about what "The Founders" said or wanted is flirting with an argument from authority.

We can debate what a well functioning government looks like without invoking "The Founders."

And we can get a grip on what they thought without knowing it is true or right.
  

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #87 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:42pm
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robth wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
You're just hoping for more ignorant voters who will become democrats.



Yes, that is what they need. It seems that the black race is becoming more educated and self-sufficient. They know now what the (D) stands for. And a lot of the legal Hispanic voters know what they ran away from and are not voting (D) either. So the (D) needs open borders to bring in uneducated, worthless, and criminals to make legal so they can win elections with their bribing welfare.

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #88 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 6:47am
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Lomelis wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:22am:
It cracks me up when welfare queen luther complains about immigrants collecting welfare.

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All I do is fill out my tax reforms. I don't make the rules Lomelies  Wink


But immigrates who are a minority, do receive more various welfare than natives do period

Would you like to challenge me on that? Wink
  

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Re: The Constitution does not require voters to be U.S. citizens
Reply #89 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:01am
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Demos wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:13am:
There's no fuzzy math. Greencard holders are lawful permanents residents and pay the same taxes citizens do.

Says common sense, economics, business sense, and the apartment associations if you ask em.

Again, there's no fuzzy math. You're conflating two separate things trying make things appear fuzzy.


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There's no fuzzy math. Greencard holders are lawful permanents residents and pay the same taxes citizens do
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Wrong.  Property taxes are not in their name. Home owners pay these taxes whether they're rented or not Roll Eyes Fed/state income tax , they don't pay as much since they don't make as much as natives do. There's your fuzzy math guy Roll Eyes

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Says common sense, economics, business sense, and the apartment associations if you ask em
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Again, says you Roll Eyes

You're so full of chit Wink Ignorant's abounds  is all forms." If I ask them" Roll Eyes Grin


With your thinking, when people have to pay a business tax or a Fed income tax , they say my customer or my employer pays the tax instead of them Roll Eyes

Ask em DEMOS Grin Cheesy
  

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