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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #30 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:25am
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Fiddler wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:54am:
The point is that 'sugar' risks only the individual consuming it.  Still I suspect many wives would have preferred to be threatened by a bag of Dixie Crystals sugar than a 9mm..


And I see your point about skiing as we see so many incidences of people taking someone skiing so that they can collide with them as many times as it takes to kill'um..



I wonder if the danger of home based firearms is just another form of natural selection.

  

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Reply #31 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:36am
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Fiddler wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:54am:
The point is that 'sugar' risks only the individual consuming it.  Still I suspect many wives would have preferred to be threatened by a bag of Dixie Crystals sugar than a 9mm..


And I see your point about skiing as we see so many incidences of people taking someone skiing so that they can collide with them as many times as it takes to kill'um..


I wonder which causes more health costs and provides a greater risk to more American lives? Sugar or guns in the home?

If it's all about the "health risks", then I feel there should be some prioritization. Else it just appears political, masked under the veil of "health risks".
  

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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #32 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:37am
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Ulysses wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:25am:
I wonder if the danger of home based firearms is just another form of natural selection.


How dare you?

This is all about "health risks". Fiddler, and the author, are just concerned about health. And guns are the number one contributor of "health risks" in the country today, don't you know?
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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #33 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:46pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:37am:
And guns are the number one contributor of "health risks" in the country today, don't you know?


Cranking up the strawman assembly line or exaggeration for effect again?

Regardless of your misrepresentation the assertion is "Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit"  not that they are "the number one contributor of "health risks" in the country today"..

Sarcasm is one thing but at least try to stay honest.



  

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Reply #34 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:51pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:34am:
As a matter of fact, I don't have to follow any of those rules so long as I keep my car on my property.

Think about it.


Kind of defeats the purpose of having a car, if you can only use it on your driveway.  My analogy stands.  There was a time when cars were unregulated.  Some-many-thousand deaths, fraud cases, uninsured collisions, and assorted civil judgments later, the people realized that cars and trucks are too dangerous to be left unregulated.

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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #35 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:58pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:13am:
Indeed.  Cars, as useful as they are, have been so dangerous in certain circumstances that we have a raft of regulations, licensing, renewals, insurance requirements, and criminal codes governing their use and ownership.

Think about it.
I ride a motorcycle, which is inherently more hazardous to operate then a car and yet short of outlawing them, we operate them understanding the risks involved.  No need to put any additional regulations, everyone uses them understanding the risks involved, just like riding a motorcycle.  The outrage and fear mongering about guns do not live up to the other hazards we deal with on a daily basis.  To me, this is simply irrational people who have fears that do not live up to the hype.
  


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Reply #36 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 1:58pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
To me, this is simply irrational people who have fears that do not live up to the hype.


Then you have a problem with the data.  Sadly, it's not the first nor will it be the last time that you reject facts.
  

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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #37 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 2:39pm
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Fiddler wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 3:17pm:
11. Self-defense gun use is rare and not more effective at preventing injury than other protective actions

Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases).  Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action.  Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

This article helps provide accurate information concerning self-defense gun use.   It shows that many of the claims about the benefits of gun ownership are largely myths.

Hemenway D, Solnick SJ.  The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: Evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011.  Preventive Medicine.  2015; 79: 22-27.


You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
How many times are guns used in self Defense?
A study published in 2013 by the Violence Policy Center, using five years of nationwide statistics (2007-2011) compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation found that defensive gun uses occur an average of 67,740 times per year.
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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #38 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 3:01pm
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Archie wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 2:39pm:
If I am lucky, I will never have to use it.


That's the point.  Very few people do.

Until recently I lived in the gun loving mountains of North Carolina.  I am the only person I know personally that has used a gun for something that could even remotely be considered self-defense.  I held a pistol up to the window in my front door so that some guy the cops were chasing could see it from outside.

You live the gun life...you're a motorcycle thug...how many people do you know that have used a gun for self-defense?

  

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Re: Guns in the home provide greater health risk than benefit
Reply #39 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 3:11pm
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This sounds an awful lot like the "having a swimming pool increases the risk of your child drowning in your backyard a millionfold" argument.

First time I ever got stitches I was 6 years old and had cut myself drying a butcher knife.  (I remember I was 6 because I got 6 stitches and said that a lot.)   Imagine if that'd been my neck!  No knives in the house...that doesn't happen and little Q doesn't spray blood around the kitchen screaming and crying.

I broke 3 ribs and crappity smacked up my back for life wrecking a snowmobile when I was 24 years old.  The odds of that happening are reduced to zero if I hadn't owned a snowmobile at the time.

I messed up my right knee when I wrecked my motorcycle at the age of 20.  Still hurts to this day when it's damp and cold.  The odds of that having happened are reduced to zero if I hadn't owned a motorcycle.

I made an appointment with a dental surgeon recently.  I'm finally getting a tooth I've fought with for 30 years removed.  Caused my own problems in my anarchist/crappity smack the man days by removing my braces with a fishhook pliers.  The odds of me having this bad tooth are reduced to zero if I hadn't gotten braces in the mid 80s.

I really wish someone had been around to tell me not to own or do these things before I did them.  I'd probably be in great shape looking at 50 more years instead of a more reasonable 20.  Someone needs to start some kind of "Just Say No" campaign.  Might I suggest you start a crowdfunder?

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