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Poll closed Question: Do you think the Russian Gov changed the outcome of 2016?
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Yes    
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Need More Evidence    
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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #30 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:42pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
The whole Russian thing has finally been revealed as a sham by none other then Nancy Pelosi.  For many of you liberals who bought into this, you should be livid that she revealed this by stating it is not worth impeaching Trump.  Think about this for one moment, if Trump really did collude with the Russians, then there is ZERO reason to not pursue impeachment.  By her statement she has finally revealed this was a sham from day one, they lied.


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You ARE correct, .. because, if Mueller HAD the evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to BEAT Hillary Clinton and IF there was proof of it, Pelosi and the demoncraps WOULD vigorously be GOING after IMPEACHMENT for PRECISELY that charge!  Cool

Many demoncraps on Capitol Hill KNOW the UNPROVEN ACCUSATIONS against Trump ARE all BULLSHIT, .. but, they WANT Trump politically destroyed through ANY means whatsoever, and are relying on the corrupt liberal news media to help CONVINCE their stupid low-intelligent/ low-information and their illegal alien voting DEMOCRAT PARTY voters!  Sad

It's ALL GOING TO BACKFIRE ON THE FILTHY DEMOCRAT LIBERAL SOCIALIST PARTY, .. and THE CORRUPT LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA WILL ALSO PAY A HEAVY PRICE, .. too!   Smiley Smiley
  

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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #31 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:43pm
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I think  that it is fair to say that Nancy Pelosi is simply hedging her bet for the sake of maintaining the Democrat majority in 2020, if it turns out that the entire Trump/Russia collusion investigation turns out to be a bust.

We shall see what we shall see and then we will all know.  very soon!  Smiley
  

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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #32 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:44pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:40pm:
Honest question, put your partisanship aside, if possible.  Does it not anger you she made those remarks?  Are you not curious in the least why she is pulling back on impeaching Trump if the story of his collusion is possibly true?  It's your party and many of you have bought into the idea he is guilty beyond a doubt and now she is resisting impeachment, at least for now.  I find that odd looking from the outside in.


You're dumb. If you haven't figured out yet that she said that to appease you dumb dumbs, and that she is setting you all up so she can smack you down...then a conversation with you is going to be difficult.

I can't stand Nancy Pelosi. But Ray Charles can see whats coming.

Tell us more how the investigation is almost over.

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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #33 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:46pm
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Buddy_Love wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
You're dumb. If you haven't figured out yet that she said that to appease you dumb dumbs, and that she is setting you all up so she can smack you down...then a conversation with you is going to be difficult.

I can't stand Nancy Pelosi. But Ray Charles can see whats coming.

Tell us more how the investigation is almost over.

Grin

What if she is not?  Unfortunately you are sold out and can not honestly assess the issue without your own allegiance getting in your way.
  


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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #34 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:56pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:40pm:
Honest question, put your partisanship aside, if possible.  Does it not anger you she made those remarks?  Are you not curious in the least why she is pulling back on impeaching Trump if the story of his collusion is possibly true?  It's your party and many of you have bought into the idea he is guilty beyond a doubt and now she is resisting impeachment, at least for now.  I find that odd looking from the outside in.


I'm an Independent, so I have no loyalty to her at all. But ever since the mid-terms, and the possibility that impeachment could actually occur, I have advocated against it (I have several comments in here verifying my stance).

Why? Because he is almost out anyway. Because Pence is an actual politician who could get things done, and move us in a more conservative direction. Because impeachment, knowing that the votes on the Republican side would not be forthcoming is an exercise in futility. In fact, that is what her comment meant. Until concrete evidence against Trump exists, and Republicans are finally forced to have a backbone and vote for it, there is no point in an impeachment.

So why would I be angry. Her move was obvious and strategic. That is one smart person.
  
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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #35 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:59pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
Pelosi said it is not worth it unless there is absolute evidence of wrongdoing


You didn't say that the first time..


Seawolf wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
The problem is that it appears she never actually believed there was a real case for collusion.


She hasn't said anything pro or con.




Seawolf wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
should you not be a bit peeved by her remarks?


LOL.. Why?  She's said repeatedly that her actions in this regard depend on the Mueller's findings?


I've always like Pelosi but this term she's really stepped up her game.  She's kicking Trump in the nuts on a regular basis..

  

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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #36 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:05pm
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Fiddler wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Some years ago an AI company named Cognea realized that people were more willing to form relationships with virtual sales and support agents than human.  They provided their Fortune 500 customers with artificial agents tweaked to manipulate customers.   The virtual agents they supplied were primitive compared to the not too distant future yet they were extremely effective in manipulating the customers. 

The Russian manipulation of voter and of media through Facebook and Twitter during the 2016 presidential election is undeniable proof of the concept's viability.  

Somebody believes that there is undeniable proof somewhere that Russians successfully manipulated voters.

http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1550851623/140#140
  

If FaceBook memes and twitter accounts can sway elections, then either accept it as the new reality or let's figure out a new form of government. Because democracy is therefore unfit in the modern age.
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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #37 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:33pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:05pm:
Somebody believes that there is undeniable proof somewhere that Russians successfully manipulated voters.


Of course they did...that much should be obvious.  The extent and the efficacy maybe unknown, perhaps unknowable but what you're doing is attempting to say that propaganda is ineffective 100% of the time.

  

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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #38 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:36pm
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Fiddler wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:33pm:
Of course they did...that much should be obvious.  The extent and the efficacy maybe unknown, perhaps unknowable but what you're doing is attempting to say that propaganda is ineffective 100% of the time.


You're not understanding your own words. What your arguments are saying.

You called Russian manipulation an example of viability, and said there was undeniable proof.

I don't see any proof. That doesn't mean propaganda is "ineffective 100% of the time", it just means there is no proof that in this instance it was effective at all.
  

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Re: Did the Russians change the outcome of 2016 Presidential Election
Reply #39 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:48pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
You're not understanding your own words. What your arguments are saying.


You're in the weeds again .. This below does not say what you want it to say...

"The Russian manipulation of voter and of media through Facebook and Twitter during the 2016 presidential election is undeniable proof of the concept's viability."
  

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