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Should you have to be a natural born American to hold public office?
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I say yes
  

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Re: Should you have to be a natural born American to hold public office?
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RWB wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:53am:
I say yes

So a person that got citizenship when they were two years old after their parents moved here can't hold office if they lived here their whole life? That's ridiculous.
  

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The Left simply want to ignore the Constitutional requirements with which they disagree.
  

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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
The Left simply want to ignore the Constitutional requirements with which they disagree. 


The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 disagrees with you..

  

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Fiddler wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 disagrees with you..


I guess we don't need the Supreme Court anymore, now you have the final say in interpreting what is and what is not Constitutional.
  

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That is such a fundamental change that it seems like it would require a constitutional amendment -- otherwise it would never survive court challenge.

Do you think there'd be ANY chance of something like this making it into an amendment?

And do you think it should apply at state and local levels, too?  Pre-empting states who would prefer to decide this for themselves?  Good luck with that.

What problem are you trying to solve, anyway?
  

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forgotten centrist wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:42pm:
That is such a fundamental change that it seems like it would require a constitutional amendment -- otherwise it would never survive court challenge.

Do you think there'd be ANY chance of something like this making it into an amendment?

And do you think it should apply at state and local levels, too?  Pre-empting states who would prefer to decide this for themselves?  Good luck with that.

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Overview
A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.

Political Office Requirement
The phrase "natural-born citizen" appears in the U.S. Constitution. In order to become the President or Vice President of the United States, a person must be a natural-born citizen. This "Natural-Born Citizen Clause" is located in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution.

The constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. One can be a citizen while not being a "natural born" citizen if, for example, that person gained citizenship through the process of naturalization.

Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.

There is some debate over whether or not one may also be a natural born citizen if, despite a birth on foreign soil, U.S. citizenship immediately passes from the person's parents.

Today, 8 U.S.C. § 1101 defines naturalization as “conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.” In contrast, § 1401 lists eight categories of peoples who are "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth," including those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction, as well as children of one or more U.S. citizens abroad as long as the parent(s) meet certain requirements. This means that foreign-born citizens falling under a provision in 1401 are, by statutory definition, not naturalized. The term "natural born" is not used, however.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen

Someone who has the proper legal standing before the Court will have to bring this case.  For instance if Ilhan Omar wished to run for President and was not allowed to by the FEC, then she would have standing to bring this matter before the court.
  

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We're talking about "public office", not "POTUS"...
  

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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
The Left simply want to ignore the Constitutional requirements with which they disagree. 

Constitutional requirements does not say you must be a natural born citizen unless your are president.  Wingnuts are ignorant of constitutional requirements.
  

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They work harder, improve their income, and/or spend less money until they have the means to save.
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
The Left simply want to ignore the Constitutional requirements with which they disagree. 

WTF are you talking about? ReeweeWittoBwain is talking ALL public offices.
  

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