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"Single payer" health system - the great Engine of Death
Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:06am
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Forbes Magazine on NHS (October 2018 article)


This August, a record number of Britons languished more than 12 hours in emergency rooms. In July, the share of cancer patients who waited more than two months to receive treatment soared.

The NHS is also short 42,000 nurses. In the second quarter alone, nurse vacancies increased by 17%. Meanwhile, in the United States, nearly all states will have a surplus of nurses by 2030.

The shortage of providers has resulted in longer wait times for patients. In May, 4.3 million people in the United Kingdom were on waiting lists for surgery, a 10-year high. Adjusting for population, that would be like having everyone in the state of Florida on waiting lists. Roughly 3,500 British patients have been on hospital waiting lists for more than a year.

More than one in five British cancer patients waits longer than two months to begin treatment after receiving a referral from a general practitioner. In Scotland, fewer than 80% of patients receive needed diagnostic tests -- endoscopies, MRIs, CT, scans and the like -- within three months.

These delays are deadly. An analysis that covered just half of England's hospitals found that almost 30,000 patients died in the past year while waiting for treatment -- an increase of 57% compared to 2013.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/10/01/u-k-s-healthcare-horror-stori...
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:36am
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But it's free! And, everyone waits and suffers equally. Oh I love a good squalid waiting room.
  




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Reply #2 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:55am
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Those figures do not agree with  historical data that shows Brits have twice as good health outcomes for 1/2 the cost for Americans.

Of course, the UK currently has a conservative government, so it's entirely possible they fücked it all up.
  

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The Nude Beach Situation wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:36am:
But it's free! And, everyone waits and suffers equally. Oh I love a good squalid waiting room.


The only one's declaring it "free" at the top of their lungs are right wingers for the sake of their over-simplistic arguments.

You should be worried. It's coming whether or not you want it. Like I've continually said...you should've probably consider compromise the last decade or so. Now the backlash is going to be way more extreme. Should've been throwing the populace crumbs. Now you're going to have give up your entire dinner.
  

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Buddy_Love wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:56am:
The only one's declaring it "free" at the top of their lungs are right wingers for the sake of their over-simplistic arguments.

You should be worried. It's coming whether or not you want it. Like I've continually said...you should've probably consider compromise the last decade or so. Now the backlash is going to be way more extreme. Should've been throwing the populace crumbs. Now you're going to have give up your entire dinner.

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Ulysses wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 1:55am:
Those figures do not agree with  historical data that shows Brits have twice as good health outcomes for 1/2 the cost for Americans.



What figures?  (Don't mention any fake UN data.)  Did the 30,000 who died in one year waiting for treatment that never came have a "good outcome"?  Actually, if you have to depend on the NHS, a quick death probably IS a good outcome.
  
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The Nude Beach Situation wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:03am:
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Here comes single payer, pardner. Better pepper your angus.
  

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Buddy_Love wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:06am:
Here comes single payer, pardner. Better pepper your angus.

Great. Tell me how.
  




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Reply #8 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:10am
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Little amusing story: A public facebook post from a friend about single payer a month or so ago. A right winger joins in and proceeds to tell us all her Canadian friends hate their healthcare.

So I ask her to tag these friends. She refuses. So I tag my Canadian friends. They proceed to lambast her. They tag their Canadian friends. In the end, we hear from a dozen actual real life Canadians talking about how much they love their healthcare and how they all feel sorry for us. Right winger just stops posting.

Moral of the story:

Do not believe the propaganda from right wingers in regards to single payer/UHC. It's only propaganda. It's all lies.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:12am
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The Nude Beach Situation wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:08am:
Great. Tell me how.


By infuriating right wingers. It'll be spectacular. The biggest health care. Biggly.

  

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