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Re: A Complete & Comprehensive Catalog of All 33 Globe Earth Verses in the Holy Bible.
Reply #60 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 6:03am
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Fiddler wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 2:52pm:
Nothing was revealed as there is no one to reveal it.  The writers of Hebrew mythology were clear in their belief that the world was flat.  There's really no other way to interpret it.





You must be incapable of learning. I've already answered your skepticism. If you want to go some more rounds that's fine. The Bible teaches globe earth. The prophet Jeremiah was the last to mention globe earth, yet that was 100 years before the first Greek thought of the globe earth in 500 B.C. There is not one verse that says the earth is flat in the Bible.
  

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Reply #61 - Sep 4th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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FEZZILLA wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 6:03am:
You must be incapable of learning. I've already answered your skepticism. If you want to go some more rounds that's fine. The Bible teaches globe earth. The prophet Jeremiah was the last to mention globe earth, yet that was 100 years before the first Greek thought of the globe earth in 500 B.C. There is not one verse that says the earth is flat in the Bible.


I've read the bible.  You intentionally interpret it incorrectly to push an agenda...one that says that bronze age goat herders were the recipients of a revealed knowledge of the cosmos when in fact the bible contains no scientific foreknowledge.

In attempting to introduce science into the discussion in order to bolster the credibility of the bible (you're doing so because your Faith is lacking) ..  you open ALL its content to scientific examination.  You sure as hell don't want that if you're a biblical literalist . 

e.g. the bible claims that Pi is equal to 3  ... 

  

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Reply #62 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 11:35am
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Fiddler wrote on Sep 4th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
I've read the bible.  You intentionally interpret it incorrectly to push an agenda...one that says that bronze age goat herders were the recipients of a revealed knowledge of the cosmos when in fact the bible contains no scientific foreknowledge.

In attempting to introduce science into the discussion in order to bolster the credibility of the bible (you're doing so because your Faith is lacking) ..  you open ALL its content to scientific examination.  You sure as hell don't want that if you're a biblical literalist . 

e.g. the bible claims that Pi is equal to 3  ... 

 

Then quote and source them in your counter argument.  All you said is I have read the Bible...  And!?  Enlighten us then with your counter point.  Pi=3 is in the Bible, would you like to source that or are you pulling crap from your butt in an effort to act like you know what the Bible states?
  

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Reply #63 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 11:43am
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The Calculations

Here again is the quote being referred to:

"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26

The bowl is said to have had a circumference of thirty cubits and a diameter of ten cubits. The diameter is said to be "from one rim to the other", so this would be the outer diameter; that is, the diameter of the outer mold used to make the bowl.

     
The outer diameter, from rim to rim, was ten cubits.

The circumference is not specified as being the inner or outer circumference, but since using the outer circumference would give us the "ideal" bowl (with no width or thickness), let's instead use the inner circumference, which also, reasonably, would have been the circumference of the mold used to form the inside of the bowl. That is, we will use the two measurements which were necessary for the casting of the piece.   Copyright © Elizabeth Stapel 2002-2011 All Rights Reserved
Using eighteen inches for one cubit, we have the following:

outer diameter: 10 cubits, or 180 inches
outer radius: 5 cubits, or 90 inches
inner circumference: 30 cubits, or 540 inches

To find the "Jewish" or "Bible" value for pi, we need to have the inner radius. Once we have that value, we can plug it into the formula for the circumference and compare with the given circumference value of 540 inches.

Since the thickness of the bowl is given as one handsbreadth, then the inner radius must be:

90 – 4 = 86 inches

Let's do the calculations:

inner radius:  86 inches
inner circumference:  540 inches





The inner radius and the inner circumference.

The circumference formula is C = 2(pi)r, which gives us:

540 = 2(pi)(86)
540 = 172(pi)

Solving, we get pi =  540/172  =  135/43   = 3.1395348837..., or about 3.14.

Um... Isn't "3.14" the approximation we all use for pi? Perhaps those Phoenicians were fairly accurate after all.

https://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm
  

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Reply #64 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:07pm
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The reason they're using round numbers is pretty obvious. With the awkward numeric systems, they were using back then they were practically incapable of handling divisions with a remainder different from zero.

Face the truth for once in your life. These people were completely ignorant of the methods that allowed the likes of Thales, Euclides, Pythagoras and especially Archimedes that calculated the most precise value of PI in his time, to name a few, to do extraordinary things with mathematics. 

And going to ridiculous lengths to fit a square peg in a round hole won't change that.  
  

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Reply #65 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:10pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:07pm:
The reason they're using round numbers is pretty obvious. With the awkward numeric systems, they were using back then they were practically incapable of handling divisions with a remainder different from zero.

Face the truth for once in your life. These people were completely ignorant of the methods that allowed the likes of Thales, Euclides, Pythagoras and especially Archimedes that calculated the most precise value of PI in his time, to name a few, to do extraordinary things with mathematics. 

And going to ridiculous lengths to fit a square peg in a round hole won't change that.  

So out of all of your nonsense, are we to conclude you are dismissing the math as this gentleman laid out?  You can start with history and show us that it is inaccurate and thus not worthy of taking literally.
  

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Reply #66 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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Was there EVER a King Ahaz outside of the Biblical history regarding this king of Judah?  There does not seem to be any history outside of the Bible so based on your logic, this history can not be relied upon.
  

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Reply #67 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:47pm
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Archaeology does not lie.

King Ahaz’s Clay Seal
“In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah, Ahaz the son of Jotham, king of Judah, began to reign. Ahaz was twenty years old when he became king, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem; and he did not do what was right in the sight of the Lord his God, as his father David had done” (2 Kings 16:1-2).

Ancient Near Eastern kings and other officials stamped their documents with special seals. As a result archaeologists have been able to identify the clay seals of two of the kings of Judah: Hezekiah and Ahaz. The two seals belonging to Hezekiah are not well preserved, but the one of King Ahaz of Judah is in beautiful condition. In 1996 archaeologists confirmed its authenticity. Just as people today use signatures to validate documents such as checks and contracts, in ancient times authorities stamped their official documents with seals that were typically carved from semiprecious stones. Sometimes the seals were placed on a ring, called a signet.

The most common material used for documents at that time was papyrus. “Papyrus documents were closed by rolling them and tying them with a string,” explains Tsvi Scheider, assistant librarian at Hebrew University’s Institute of Archaeology. “A lump of wet clay was then placed on the knot and stamped with the seal … After the clay dried, the papyrus was stored in an archive (see Jeremiah 32:10-14)” ( Biblical Archaeology Review, July-August 1991, p. 27).

The resulting clay imprint, or bulla, bore the seal’s impression. Although the papyrus, of organic matter, would eventually disintegrate, the clay bullae often survived. Since Israel lay at the intersection of three great empires—Egypt, Assyria and Babylon—it experienced frequent wars. Conquering armies often burned enemy cities to the ground. Almost everything would perish—except for some of the clay seals, which, when baked in such fires, turned hard as pottery.

Thousands of years later, as they have conducted excavations in such cities, archaeologists have sometimes discovered the remains of royal archives. Occasionally they even stumble onto a cache of clay seals that point to the origins and purpose of the original documents.

Robert Deutsch, writes about Ahaz’s seal: “The king whose seal is impressed in this well-preserved piece of reddish-brown clay is King Ahaz of Judah, who ruled from 732 to 716 [B.C.] … This lump of clay, called a bulla, was used to seal a papyrus document. We know this because the back of the bulla still bears the imprint of the texture of the papyrus … On the left edge of the front of the bulla is a fingerprint that may well be that of King Ahaz himself! …

“The seal contains not only the name of the king, but the name of his father, King Yehotam [Jotham]. In addition, Ahaz is specifically identified as ‘king of Judah’ … The Hebrew inscription, which is set on three lines …, translates, ‘Belonging to Ahaz (son of) Yehotam, King of Judah’ … The Ahaz bulla has been examined by a number of preeminent scholars … All agree that the bulla is genuine” ( Biblical Archaeological Review, May-June 1998, pp. 54, 56).

Thus the existence of another biblical king is verified through archaeology.

Hmm, further validating the Bible's historical accounts.
  

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Reply #68 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:49pm
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Another historical account regarding scripture is verified.

Sennacherib Captures Lachish
Shortly after the fall of the northern Israelite kingdom, the Assyrian king, Sennacherib, descended on Judah. His assault came around 700 B.C., during the reign of Ahaz’s successor, Hezekiah.

The Bible summarizes this invasion and Hezekiah’s reaction. “And in the fourteenth year of King Hezekiah, Sennacherib king of Assyria came up against all the fortified cities of Judah and took them. Then Hezekiah king of Judah sent to the king in Lachish, saying, ‘I have done wrong; turn away from me; whatever you impose on me I will pay’ ” (2 Kings 18:13-14). However, even though Hezekiah promised to pay Sennacherib handsomely if he would spare Jerusalem, the Assyrian king decided to conquer the city.

We not only have the biblical account of this history, but also the Assyrian records—accounts that closely parallel the Bible version.

A century and a half ago archaeologist Henry Austen Layard discovered the ancient city of Nineveh and Sennacherib´s palace. There he found a graphic depiction of Sennacherib´s invasion of Judah carved in a series of stone panels adorning the palatial walls.

Moshe Pearlman describes the find: “The gems of Sennacherib’s palace for biblical scholars were a series of thirteen slabs of wall reliefs depicting Sennacherib seated upon a throne on a hill-slope before a besieged city amidst the landscape of what was evidently meant to be the land of Judah. The reliefs (which may be seen in the British Museum) are clearly recognizable as a dramatic thirteen-part story in pictures of Sennacherib’s campaign in this southern Israelite kingdom … In a panel facing the king is a cuneiform caption: ‘Sennacherib, king of the Universe, king of Assyria, sat upon a throne and passed in review the booty taken from the city of Lachish’ ” ( Digging Up the Bible , 1980, p. 96).

In effect, the biblical narrative is frozen in frames in Sennacherib’s wall depicting the conquest of the city of Lachish. The Bible enlarges our view by adding an account of the letter sent at that time to Sennacherib from a desperate King Hezekiah. Judah’s king pleaded for forgiveness and offered any payment to avoid Jerusalem’s destruction.

A careful study of the panels depicting the taking of Lachish includes grisly details. “There sits the Assyrian monarch,” writes Pearlman, “richly attired, observing his army attacking a fortified city which is stoutly defended. His battering rams are being pushed up towards the walls over ramps, and are covered by archers, sling-throwers and spearmen to keep the defenders at bay. In one panel prisoners are being impaled by Assyrian soldiers; in another they are being flayed. Moving out of the city under guard is a long procession of captives, and carts laden with booty” (p. 96).

In the 20th century, archaeologists have excavated Lachish and corroborated the precision of the biblical and the Assyrian accounts of the conquest. “The magnitude of Layard’s discovery was given an added dimension some eighty years later when excavations unearthed the very stratum of ancient Lachish that was stormed by Sennacherib’s forces. Arrow-heads and sling-shots used by the Assyrians in that battle were among the finds, and from the remains of the shattered city it was possible to reconstruct the plan of its defensive fortifications. They virtually matched those depicted in the reliefs on Sennacherib’s palace walls. Thus, Lachish is a superb example of archaeological discovery joining ancient records in a word and picture to enrich the background of an episode in the Bible” (p. 97).

These exquisitely detailed contemporary finds from Assyria, along with the excavations of Lachish, dramatically corroborate each other and confirm the accuracy of the biblical account.
  

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Reply #69 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:51pm
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We are told the Bible can not be taken literally and yet the evidence discovered in the ground proves those remarks are wrong.
  

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