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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #130 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:35pm
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Demos wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
None of which has been stopped by the administration's "maximum pressure" campaign. 

Two things here: 1) yes, it delayed their program development, while giving outside parties oversight of it. What do we have now? 2) It wasn't supposed to address their support for terrorist activities; those were being addressed through sanctions and other actions.

Do you think they're closer to that goal today or not?

1. Time is on our side; Not on the side of the corrupt Theocracy which rules over the Iranian people.  Sanctions are working.  (It's similar to what is happening with North Korea, who is another rouge state attempting to gain power though nuclear blackmail).

2.  The Obama deal with Iran didn't allow any inspection of any Iranian military sites and required 30 days advance notice and permission to 'inspect' any of Iran's known 'civilian research' sites.  The entire deal was a kick the can down the road and declare victory sham.  Iran's compliance with the terms of the agreement (which was not a binding treaty voted on by Congress) meant very little or nothing, since their were so many gaping holes, such as those I mentioned.
  

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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #131 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:41pm
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Sanctions are working.

Proof of that being what?

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The Obama deal with Iran didn't allow any inspection of any Iranian military sites and required 30 days advance notice and permission to 'inspect' any of Iran's known sites.

And the IAEA and Trump's own administration repeatedly confirmed that Iran was in compliance with the deal.

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The entire deal was a kick the can down the road and declare victory sham.

The point of the delay was to give us and our allies some breathing room to continue working on a diplomatic solution to the issue while stopping Iran from developing an nuclear weapon in the meantime.

Btw, North Korea has a nuclear weapon, so would you say their blackmail is working as evidenced by our diplomatic overtures?
  
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #132 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:50pm
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Demos wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Proof of that being what?

And the IAEA and Trump's own administration repeatedly confirmed that Iran was in compliance with the deal.

The point of the delay was to give us and our allies some breathing room to continue working on a diplomatic solution to the issue while stopping Iran from developing an nuclear weapon in the meantime.

Btw, North Korea has a nuclear weapon, so would you say their blackmail is working as evidenced by our diplomatic overtures?

The proof will become apparent in a matter of weeks.  Iran can no longer send payment to sponsor it's terror groups and the Iranian people are getting restless. The Iranian Leaders are lashing out at our European Allies and their other customers (like Japan and China) to do something to stop our sanctions on Iran.  So far, nobody's answering the phone. President Trump's go them over a barrel (of oil) so to speak and he's having his way with  them!
  

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Reply #133 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:58pm
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:50pm:
The proof will become apparent in a matter of weeks.

And that will be what? 

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Iran can no longer send payment to sponsor it's terror groups and the Iranian people are getting restless.

Iran is still sponsoring terror groups, still operating in Syria, has a significant role in Iraq, etc. And the people have been restless for some time; they were restless under the previous sanctions regime as well.

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The Iranian Leaders are lashing out at our European Allies and their other customers (like Japan and China) to do something to stop our sanctions on Iran.  So far, nobody's answering the phone. President Trump's go them over a barrel (of oil) so to speak and he's having his way with  them!

Again, the proof of that being what?
  
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #134 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:04pm
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Demos wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
And that will be what? 

Iran is still sponsoring terror groups, still operating in Syria, has a significant role in Iraq, etc. And the people have been restless for some time; they were restless under the previous sanctions regime as well.

Again, the proof of that being what?

You're first question reminds me of that old adage.. "God, grant me patience: BUT HURRY UP!"  The Iranian people rose up against the tyranny of their Theocratic Dictatorship during the Obama Administration and Obama did nothing to encourage or support them.  How many were murdered we may never know. We are not advocating regime change, but just as in Venezuela, we would support the Iranian people if they stood up for freedom and a better life!
  

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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #135 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:08pm
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:04pm:
You're first question reminds me of that old adage.. "God, grant me patience: BUT HURRY UP!"  The Iranian people rose up against the tyranny of their Theocratic Dictatorship during the Obama Administration and Obama did nothing to encourage or support them.  How many were murdered we may never know.

So, you're pinning your hopes on some kind of uprising. In other words, no proof of anything, just wishful thinking.

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We are not advocating regime change, but just as in Venezuela, we would support the Iranian people if they stood up for freedom and a better life!

Except Pompeo and Bolton have both advocated for that very thing.
  
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #136 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:19pm
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Demos wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:08pm:
So, you're pinning your hopes on some kind of uprising. In other words, no proof of anything, just wishful thinking.

Except Pompeo and Bolton have both advocated for that very thing.

Did I mention to you that I have a brother in law who is and Iranian (now an American citizen)?   I think a revolution such as that which is continuing in Venezuela would be the best thing for the world and the Iranian people.  However, just as you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em wear a bikini, then they can all starve to death, as far as I'm concerned, if they stand with the rag headed Terrorists.  Trump has (secretly) negotiated a deal with all of Iran's customers, to respect our sanctions.  No doubt some are doing it after having their arms twisted with tariffs, but so far it looks like Iran is experiencing the toughest sanctions they've ever known (same as North Korea) and so far, our trading partners are bowing to the will of this American President.  We'll see what evolves with both of these rouge states.
  

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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #137 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:27pm
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
Did I mention to you that I have a brother in law who is and Iranian (now an American citizen)?

I'm sure I've seen it mentioned. Not sure as to its relevance.   

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I think a revolution such as that which is continuing in Venezuela would be the best thing for the world and the Iranian people.

Yeah, and how's that 'revolution' working out? 

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Trump has (secretly) negotiated a deal with all of Iran's customers, to respect our sanctions.

Huh 

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No doubt some are doing it after having their arms twisted with tariffs, but so far it looks like Iran is experiencing the toughest sanctions they've ever known...

Iran was under international sanctions from 2006 until 2015.



See also the Financial Times.

In 2012, their economy took quite a hit.
  
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #138 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:43pm
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Demos wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:27pm:
I'm sure I've seen it mentioned. Not sure as to its relevance.   

Yeah, and how's that 'revolution' working out? 

Huh 

Iran was under international sanctions from 2006 until 2015.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7108/production/_106763982_iran_econ...

See also the Financial Times.

In 2012, their economy took quite a hit.
I only mention it because he is the only Iranian I know and I think he is typical of the good Iranian people who used to live in a progressive, westernized culture and now are ruled over by tyrannical religious fanatics.  He was fortunate to have got out of there at the time of their 'revolution'.

In any event, the middle East and the world (to say nothing of the US) would be far better off if the people of Iran rejected the tyranny of the Islamist Terrorists who rule over them.

  

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Reply #139 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 5:13pm
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Hard to resist the internal state when they can somewhat validly point to a foreign state as the cause of grief.

Wally, if the PRC cut off all trade with us and demanded we disarm, would we?
  

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