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Reply #200 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 2:41pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

The media and the rest of the Democrats praised Obama for everything he did and gave him a pass for everything he should have done, but failed to do and a pass for everything he did wrong. 

The IRGC have killed American soldiers and even GW Bush ignored it.  When they haven't done the illing themselves, they have provided IED's and technical training to the terrorists who kill Americans.  The last time I looked, we are not at war with Iran.  These 'Special Forces are a state sponsored Terror Organization.sur as shit.

President Trump deserves far more credit than the media and anyone on the Left are willing to give him. 

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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #201 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:10pm
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Credit for what exactly? Credit for a policy that has not had its purported effect?

You seem to be missing the point, which is: the Iran hawks maximum pressure policy is not doing what its advocates claimed. Iran has become more aggressive in the Gulf and is slowly, but surely, stepping up its enrichment program.

So, the hawks either a) badly miscalculated, or b) were hoping for Iran's reaction so they could pursue regime change.
  
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Reply #202 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:25am
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U.S.'s Pompeo says Iran's latest nuclear steps raise concern

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Iran’s recent “nuclear escalations” raise concerns that should move all countries to increase pressure on Tehran, U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pomeo said on Thursday, as Iran resumed uranium enrichment at one of its nuclear facilities.

“Iran’s expansion of proliferation-sensitive activities raises concerns that Iran is positioning itself to have the option of a rapid nuclear breakout,” Pompeo said in a statement.

“It is now time for all nations to reject this regime’s nuclear extortion and take serious steps to increase pressure. Iran’s continued and numerous nuclear provocations demand such action.”

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Our pressure strategy isn't working, so let's double down on it.
  
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Reply #203 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 11:32am
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Iran nuclear deal: IAEA finds uranium particles at undeclared site

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has found uranium particles at a site in Iran that had not been declared by the Iranian authorities.

A confidential report, seen by the BBC, did not say exactly where the site was. But inspectors are believed to have taken samples from a location in Tehran's Turquzabad district.

That is the area where Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has alleged Iran had a "secret atomic warehouse".

Iran has not responded to the report.

But it has previously said the site was a carpet cleaning factory and served no clandestine purpose...

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Reply #204 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 11:44am
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Demos wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:10pm:
Credit for what exactly? Credit for a policy that has not had its purported effect?

You seem to be missing the point, which is: the Iran hawks maximum pressure policy is not doing what its advocates claimed. Iran has become more aggressive in the Gulf and is slowly, but surely, stepping up its enrichment program.

So, the hawks either a) badly miscalculated, or b) were hoping for Iran's reaction so they could pursue regime change.


not so sure about that...have you seen what has happened to irans dollar since trump took office? Their ability to finance and fund anything has gone down the toilet...the citizens have shifted their anger to their own gov't...they remind me of the ussr in the reagan years...
  
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Reply #205 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 11:50am
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petep wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 11:44am:
not so sure about that...have you seen what has happened to irans dollar since trump took office?

Have you seen what they've been doing in the region since we pulled out of the nuclear deal and started our "maximum pressure" campaign? Was the goal of the campaign merely to collapse their currency? Or were their broader aims?

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Their ability to finance and fund anything has gone down the toilet...the citizens have shifted their anger to their own gov't...they remind me of the ussr in the reagan years...

Yeah, that doesn't really seem to be the case...

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A year ago this week, the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump kicked off what it called a “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran. The United States had withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal in May 2018. In November, it reimposed a raft of economic sanctions squeezing Iranian oil exports and curtailing the country’s access to the international financial system. Some analysts predicted that Iran’s friends in Europe and Asia would defy the United States to lend Iran economic help. Others reckoned that the sanctions would send Iran’s economy into a “death spiral,” leaving Tehran the choice to either surrender or collapse. Neither of these predictions came to pass.

Rather, Iran now enters its second year under maximum pressure strikingly confident in its economic stability and regional position. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and other hard-liners are therefore likely to continue on their current course: Iran will go on tormenting the oil market while bolstering its non-oil economy—and it will continue expanding its nuclear program while refusing to talk with Washington.

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Reply #206 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 12:45pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 11:50am:
Have you seen what they've been doing in the region since we pulled out of the nuclear deal and started our "maximum pressure" campaign? Was the goal of the campaign merely to collapse their currency? Or were their broader aims?

Yeah, that doesn't really seem to be the case...

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yep - I recall prior to the soviets implosion, the left stated the same thing you are...the soviets saber rattling reached an all time high for the several years prior to their collapse...when you don't have money, eventually its tough to keep up the charade...the people want to eat.
  
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Reply #207 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 12:55pm
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petep wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 12:45pm:
yep - I recall prior to the soviets implosion, the left stated the same thing you are...the soviets saber rattling reached an all time high for the several years prior to their collapse...when you don't have money, eventually its tough to keep up the charade...the people want to eat.

Your analogy to the Soviet Union is not a good one. Prior to its collapse, the Soviet Union was trying to reform its economy and pulling back from its commitments. It was also cutting its military.

Compare that to Iran:

"Successive Administrations have used sanctions extensively against Iran to try to change Iran’s behavior. Sanctions have had a substantial effect on Iran’s economy but little observable effect on Iran’s pursuit of core strategic objectives. Iran has provided support for regional armed factions, developed ballistic missiles, and expanded its conventional weapons development programs during periods when international sanctions were in force, when they were suspended, and after U.S. sanctions were reimposed in late 2018." (Source)

You should also note that the IRGC has a lot of experience operating under sanctions.

EDIT: one further point. We were also engaged in arms control negotiations with the USSR during this period.
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #208 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:24pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
Your analogy to the Soviet Union is not a good one. Prior to its collapse, the Soviet Union was trying to reform its economy and pulling back from its commitments. It was also cutting its military.

Compare that to Iran:

"Successive Administrations have used sanctions extensively against Iran to try to change Iran’s behavior. Sanctions have had a substantial effect on Iran’s economy but little observable effect on Iran’s pursuit of core strategic objectives. Iran has provided support for regional armed factions, developed ballistic missiles, and expanded its conventional weapons development programs during periods when international sanctions were in force, when they were suspended, and after U.S. sanctions were reimposed in late 2018." (Source)

You should also note that the IRGC has a lot of experience operating under sanctions.

EDIT: one further point. We were also engaged in arms control negotiations with the USSR during this period.


and they are still out of money....look at their dollar value chart...pre trump and post trump sanctions...its not up for dispute...the data and facts are clear.
  
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #209 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:29pm
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petep wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:24pm:
and they are still out of money....look at their dollar value chart...pre trump and post trump sanctions...its not up for dispute...the data and facts are clear.

Except for the facts you want to ignore, such as their behavior in reaction to our policies.

Another fact; this isn't first time the rial has collapsed like this:

Iran's currency hits all-time low as western sanctions take their toll

Why Iran's currency dropped to worst low in two decades

Behind Iran's currency crash

Those articles are from 2012.
  
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