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Reply #40 - May 9th, 2019 at 2:51pm
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Reply #41 - May 10th, 2019 at 10:27am
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U.S. officials: Iran official OK'd attacks on American military

WASHINGTON — The U.S. decision to surge additional military forces into the Middle East was based in part on intelligence that the Iranian regime has told some of its proxy forces and surrogates that they can now go after American military personnel and assets in the region, according to three U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence.

The intelligence shows that an Iranian official discussed activating Iranian-backed groups to target Americans, but did not mention targeting the militaries of other nations, the officials said.

Among the specific threats the U.S. military is now tracking, officials say, are possible missile attacks by Iranian dhows, or small ships, in the Persian Gulf; attacks in Iraq by Iranian-trained Shiite militia groups; and attacks against U.S. ships by the Houthi rebels in Yemen...

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Reply #42 - May 10th, 2019 at 12:40pm
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The Flash Point Between America and Iran Could Be Iraq's Militias

...On Sunday, National Security Adviser John Bolton announced that U.S. warships had been dispatched to the Arabian Peninsula in response to unspecified threats from Iran. Later, U.S. officials reportedly cited the risk to American forces and allies from Iran-backed militia or proxy forces. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo canceled a planned visit to Berlin in order to visit Baghdad, where he said he discussed “the increased threat stream” with Iraqi leaders and stressed the need to protect U.S. forces there. At the same time, Iran announced that it will stop complying with some parts of the 2015 nuclear deal, continuing the pattern of escalation set in motion by the Trump administration’s decision to walk away from the agreement. (The White House on Wednesday introduced a new set of sanctions against Iran’s metals sector.)

Though U.S. officials have so far been vague about the nature of the threat, Phillip Smyth, an expert on Shiite militia groups, told me he takes the risk they pose to U.S. forces seriously. The militia groups that act as Iranian proxies in Iraq, he said, would be an effective tool for further escalation—and for reviving an old narrative that casts U.S. troops as an occupying force in the country...

After Bolton’s announcement, I spoke with U.S. military officers who served in the country during the fight against ISIS, and they made two points. The first is that the risk the militias pose to U.S. troops in Iraq has been there since the anti-ISIS campaign began in 2014—and so, in a sense, the threats U.S. officials are discussing are nothing new. The second is that while they considered the threats to be manageable, they were real causes for concern...

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Reply #43 - May 10th, 2019 at 5:29pm
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The U.S. Can’t Escape the Middle East

...On Friday, the United States sent additional hardware into the region, including the USS Arlington amphibious ship, which transports U.S. Marines and their equipment, and a Patriot missile battery, according to the Pentagon...

The continued focus on Iran despite the department’s stated pivot to Russia and China has frustrated many observers and former officials. Wasser pointed out that the Defense Department ranks Iran as a fourth-tier threat in the 2018 National Defense Strategy, the Pentagon’s latest guiding document...

The deployment of a small bomber task force, too, is a significant move. Although bombers typically rotate seamlessly in and out of the region, the B-1 squadron most recently stationed at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar, left in March and has not yet been replaced—an unusual shift that many attributed to the defeat of the Islamic State’s physical territory.

A second defense official confirmed that the deployment, which will consist of four aircraft from Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, was not previously planned...

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Here is the DOD's 2018 National Defense Strategy summary. Great power competition is clearly the priority.

Also from the article: "The former official expressed hope that once Shanahan is confirmed as permanent secretary of defense, the balance will shift back to great power competition."

I don't see Shanahan being very effective at countering Bolton.

  
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Reply #44 - May 10th, 2019 at 5:32pm
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White House passes phone number to Swiss, in case Iran wants to call

After President Donald Trump publicly appealed to Iran to call him amid heightened tensions with Tehran, the White House contacted the Swiss on Thursday to share a phone number the Iranians could call the President on, according to a diplomatic source familiar with the move...

The source said the Swiss likely won't hand over the number unless the Iranians specifically ask for it and it's thought they are highly unlikely to do so. White House officials say Trump's overtures are sincere...

The US and Iran do not have an official diplomatic relationship and Switzerland serves as the protecting power for the US in the country. That means they represent US interests in Iran, performing services for US citizens in the country like visa processing. They also serve as a channel for diplomacy between the two nations though there are other mechanisms for the two nations to communicate...

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Reply #45 - May 10th, 2019 at 5:55pm
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The Swiss have always been used for back channel negotiations.  President Trump has made it clear that we do not want war.  However, the Iranian Mullahs are far more likely of lashing out than even Kim Jung Un.  They believe Allah is on their side and we are the Big Satan and Israel is the Little Satan, enabled by the US.  Jihadist's are irrational religious zealots!  The Swiss can soften the language of our actions!  They're good at talking!  They also will be able to tell the world that the US was being reasonable and it was the Ayatollah and his crazy Mullahs that caused the war, if push comes to shove.

THIS President isn't going to allow the Iranians to take American sailors hostage or attack US ships or mine the Straits of Hormuz or do any of the things the Iranian government has done before.
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
The President Trump has made it clear that we do not want war.

Maybe Trump doesn't (though that's really not clear). Others among his administration and the military on the other hand seem to clearly be in favor of ramping up tensions create a conflict. 

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However, the Iranian Mullahs are far more likely of lashing out than even Kim Jung Un.

Well, when you keep threatening someone's existence, they are likely to do that. But they're not reacting irrationally; they're a rationale actor responding to our actions and in pursuit of their interests.
  
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Demos wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 6:02pm:
Maybe Trump doesn't (though that's really not clear). Others among his administration and the military on the other hand seem to clearly be in favor of ramping up tensions create a conflict. 

Well, when you keep threatening someone's existence, they are likely to do that. But they're not reacting irrationally; they're a rationale actor responding to our actions and in pursuit of their interests.

President Trump addressed this and even said that some of his Advisers are more Hawks than he is.  President Trump is no Dove though and he will be the one who makes the decision.

I suppose when you're talking about the consequences of keeping to threaten someone's existence you are speaking about the Iranian government who have been calling for "Death to Israel" and for " Death to the Untied States"  for as long as I can remember.
  

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Reply #48 - May 12th, 2019 at 10:24am
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I suppose when you're talking about the consequences of keeping to threaten someone's existence you are speaking about the Iranian government who have been calling for "Death to Israel" and for " Death to the Untied States"  for as long as I can remember.

Iranians can chant "Death to America" as much as they want; Iran does not present an existential threat to us.

I'm speaking about our current policies which are deliberately aimed at the Iranian regime's survival. Is that or is that not the aim of our policy right now? That is what they are reacting to, and their reactions aren't irrational.
  
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Re: WH Designates IRGC a Foreign Terrorist Organization
Reply #49 - May 12th, 2019 at 11:44am
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
The Swiss have always been used for back channel negotiations.  President Trump has made it clear that we do not want war.  However, the Iranian Mullahs are far more likely of lashing out than even Kim Jung Un.  They believe Allah is on their side and we are the Big Satan and Israel is the Little Satan, enabled by the US.  Jihadist's are irrational religious zealots!  The Swiss can soften the language of our actions!  They're good at talking!  They also will be able to tell the world that the US was being reasonable and it was the Ayatollah and his crazy Mullahs that caused the war, if push comes to shove.

THIS President isn't going to allow the Iranians to take American sailors hostage or attack US ships or mine the Straits of Hormuz or do any of the things the Iranian government has done before.


Serious question,  do you think that the Iranian leadership honestly believes in their religious position,  or is it just politics?

I mean, it seems like such garbage it's hard to imagine anyone clever enough to rise high in society being dumb enough to fall for anything so laughable.
  

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