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Re: "Spying Did Occur"
Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:40am
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Archie wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 9:40pm:
Yeah, but he is doing it legally.




Only among you alt-right nitwits is court-ordered electronic surveillance considered "spying".
  

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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:03am
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WHERE'S THE PROOF?  SHOW ME THE PROOF!!!

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Reply #12 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:39am
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The FBI had "spied" on Page before.  He was known to be in frequent contact with Russian agents.  They had an active file on him, long before the Steele dossier.

Trump hired him.  The FBI warned the Trump campaign that Russians might be trying to infiltrate them.  The surveillance was done on Russians communicating with Trump associates.  They were conducting counter-intel.  It was (and is) their job to monitor Russian communications here.  If a Russian agent calls a US citizen, there is no law forcing them to stop surveillance to protect that citizen's rights.  That would defeat the entire purpose of counter-intel!
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:40am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:03am:
WHERE'S THE PROOF?  SHOW ME THE PROOF!!!

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We already did, the FISA warrant was what allowed the spying.  Sheesh!!
  


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Re: "Spying Did Occur"
Reply #14 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:44am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:39am:
The FBI had "spied" on Page before.  He was known to be in frequent contact with Russian agents.  They had an active file on him, long before the Steele dossier.

Trump hired him.  The FBI warned the Trump campaign that Russians might be trying to infiltrate them.  The surveillance was done on Russians communicating with Trump associates.  They were conducting counter-intel.  It was (and is) their job to monitor Russian communications here.  If a Russian agent calls a US citizen, there is no law forcing them to stop surveillance to protect that citizen's rights.  That would defeat the entire purpose of counter-intel!


Then why does the DT side keep accusing the Obama admin of wrongdoing, of unjustified spying on the DT campaign?

Easy. It's DT's modus operandi: accuse your opposition of exactly what  your side is guilty of. Political theater at its most egregious.

Only suckers believe DT.

  

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Reply #15 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:45am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:40am:
We already did, the FISA warrant was what allowed the spying.  Sheesh!!


Trump says the spying was "illegal":

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“I think what he said was absolutely true. There was absolutely spying into my campaign,” Trump said Thursday. “I’ll go a step further. It was my opinion it was illegal spying, unprecedented spying, and something that should never be allowed to happen in our country again.”


https://www.concordmonitor.com/Trump-alleges-there-was--illegal-spying--during-h...

How is going to a judge to obtain a warrant "illegal"?

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Re: "Spying Did Occur"
Reply #16 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:52am
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Spying is spying.  It is what it is.  Clearly the FBI targetted and spied on certain members of Trumps team.  FISA warants were granted which basically granted legal authority to spy.

People seem to be confused or intentionally distorting the facts ( like Stu and Wally) as to who was actually targetted and why.  Trump wasnt spied on, his campaign wasn't spied on, just certain members that were already suspected of corrupt dealings with foreignors.  It didn't turn into an investigation of the campaign until after Trump stupidly fired Comey because he wouldn't drop the investigation and declare loyalty to Trump.
  

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Re: "Spying Did Occur"
Reply #17 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:58am
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 9:08pm:
AG Barr said this is what he thinks.

Trump says it is correct (not exactly a fountain of accuracy -- especially considering he has a clear interest). 

CNN says it was without evidence (though not exactly a fountain of accuracy -- especially given they never used the "without evidence" phrase on Schiff, as far as I know).

Who is right?

Define "spying" (which is a loaded term with a lot of baggage).

If we're talking about the FISA warrants, then yes, it did occur, and it occurred after a surveillance warrant was applied for and issued.

And as long as we're interested in accuracy, I'm pretty sure Carter Page was no longer on Trump's campaign when the "spying" occurred.
  
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Re: "Spying Did Occur"
Reply #18 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:02am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:45am:
Trump says the spying was "illegal":


https://www.concordmonitor.com/Trump-alleges-there-was--illegal-spying--during-h...

How is going to a judge to obtain a warrant "illegal"?

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It may have been, which is why Barr should investigate if this is so.  Do I need to remind you of the emails of Stroyk and Page?  Their emails show a level of interference and plotting.
  


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Re: "Spying Did Occur"
Reply #19 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:04am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:02am:
It may have been, which is why Barr should investigate if this is so.  Do I need to remind you of the emails of Stroyk and Page?  Their emails show a level of interference and plotting.


Any evidence of any illegal activities by the two lovebirds?

Any evidence AT ALL about any ILLEGAL spying?

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