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Re: The 17th Century - Halfway point between the Middle Ages and Modernity
Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 2:56pm
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Demos wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
You don't have to read history; contemporary sources confirm the Medieval aristocracy wasn't that "noble" (and there's enough source documents beyond medieval romances and apocryphal histories).

they didn't bathe much either.  And they call us the great unwashed masses.
  

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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
they didn't bathe much either.  And they call us the great unwashed masses. 


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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
they didn't bathe much either.  And they call us the great unwashed masses. 


If you take a bath you're just stewing in your own filth, plus the warm water allows germs to multiply quickly. Clean people take showers.
  

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Re: The 17th Century - Halfway point between the Middle Ages and Modernity
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Demos wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 2:45pm:
You don't have to read history; contemporary sources confirm the Medieval aristocracy wasn't that "noble" (and there's enough source documents beyond medieval romances and apocryphal histories).



Depends on what you define as "noble".


In the high Mediæval era, think Crècy, Poitiers,  Agincourt,  it was perfectly chivalric to put the whole population of a town to rape and the sword, if their town resisted a siege.

The fact that the inhabitants had absolutely no say in whether to resist was immaterial.  They died anyhow,  but chivalry demanded that their overlords were merely ransomed.


Nobility had a very different meaning then. People,  in the main, were utterly without consequence to the aristocracy.


To a large extent,  see any account of fighting after the Conquest, the aristocracy held each other's lives of account only so long as treatment of prisoners would reflect upon the captor's reputation or income.


They were brutal,  wicked people by any objective moral standard, by any Christian standard and certainly by anything like a modern standard.
  

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BowHunter wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
If you take a bath you're just stewing in your own filth, plus the warm water allows germs to multiply quickly. Clean people take showers.

I agree about the showers.  I don't know that they had them then; perhaps this explains why people didn't bathe. Gosh Darn it, they must have had to drink a hell of a lot of mead to breed...
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm
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BowHunter wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
If you take a bath you're just stewing in your own filth, plus the warm water allows germs to multiply quickly. Clean people take showers.


I think the general idea is to take a shower first, rinse soap etc. off, and then soak in a hot tub for the therapeutic effect. It can be very relaxing.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 6:54pm
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Ulysses wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
I think the general idea is to take a shower first, rinse soap etc. off, and then soak in a hot tub for the therapeutic effect. It can be very relaxing.

  

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Re: The 17th Century - Halfway point between the Middle Ages and Modernity
Reply #19 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 8:32pm
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Limey. wrote on Apr 15th, 2019 at 6:42pm:
Depends on what you define as "noble".

Well, I'm specifically referring to the romanticization of the Medieval nobility/aristocracy (including the romance authors themselves, not that I haven't enjoyed their work).
  
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